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does LB undermine the team?

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 12:07 am
by fatlever
its no secret that larry was not a fan of felton leaving, or chandler.

larry has made numerous comments about felton and the impact his loss. he did it again this weekend
"We had a bulldog as a leader, and he isn't here any more," Brown said.

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i have always been of the opinion that when you are in a position of leadership, whether it is president, coach, office manager or whatever that you dont make excuses to others about the failure of whatever you are managing. you dont ever look at what you dont have or what you used to have and talk about how it would be different if such and such was still here. in my opinion that is always a recipe for future failures.

can you imagine if when my boss asked me in front of my team why my team at work was struggling i said "well boss, when fred left our team last year to go to bank of america we havent been the same. these other employees just arent as good" or can you imagine if the starting qb goes down with an injury during a game and the coach tells his team "we cant win without our qb". hell no, you lie to those kids and you tell them the team is larger than one person blah blah blah...

its ok for brown to discuss the loss of felton's impact with MJ and higgins privately, but for him to keep talking to the media about how this current team cant win because felton left, what does that say to the current team? sure, they might not be good enough, but you certainly dont tell them that.

there is a difference between using the media to motivate a player and using the media to undermine the team, organization while at the same time absolving yourself in the process.

this is the one area of larry brown that bothers me more than all the others combined. he has a long history of making excuses when things dont go his way. he has a long history of publicly saying that his players arent good enough. he always makes it about the players (most of which are only here because of him) and never about him. and he always runs away or is pushed away when his actions catch up to him.

i hate people who make excuses and blame others when they fail and that goes triple when it applies to a person in a leadership position. it shows weakness and ego.

larry could learn something from felton. one of the reasons felton was such a great leader was because he ALWAYS took the blame for the team's failures, even when they werent his fault. he always took responsibility for his actions.

i lose respect for larry every single time i read one of these types of quotes. i dont think this is about larry trying to motivate players. and even if it was, i disagree with the approach. he might be the greatest teacher of the game ever. larry says himself that he loves that part of the game and hates the coaching and i can see why. frankly, and i dont care what his record or bonnell says, his game coaching and his leadership have never impressed me. its a testament to his amazing teaching skills that his teams win in spite of his constant undermining of the teams he has coached.

i would love to add more of larry's undermining quotes, but i dont feel like searching for them. but if anyone wants to add them they shouldnt be too hard to find.

Re: does LB undermine the team?

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 2:13 am
by Marvel
Larry's a tool, i personally cannot wait till he leaves. I might even celebrate the day he does and call it the "LB Is Leaving Day". We are also now witnessing another one of LB's f***ed up flaws which we call his "pet projects'.......more like "pet f**k offs". Seriously, how the f**k is McGuire now averaging more minutes than UPS....that's a sure way to kill any progress this kid has made you f***ing idiot LB.

Gotta admit though Felton is ballin in NY. I know it's a different system, but he's at least adapted his game to it. Kudos to him. Felts was never afraid to take the blame even when it wasn't his fault, he would step up and take it.

Re: does LB undermine the team?

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 2:30 am
by therebirth
Now the two captains have joined in the blame game.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/1 ... bcats.html

I promise you I did not read your post before I posted this under Bonnells blog



Wow, well done LB. Now Jackson and Wallace have turned on DJ. He has no chance now. Your two captains are following your lead. They too can use DJ to explain their poor play.

Do you think mj and Pip cry about BJ or Paxson not leading them? How about Kobe or Joe johnson? I thought everyone said Wallace and especially Jackson were the leaders last year? So disappointed in those two.

Posted by: crymeariver | Dec 5, 2010 8:44:39 PM

Re: does LB undermine the team?

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 2:42 am
by therebirth
Somebody needs to ask Wallace if he is missing all those layups because felton is not his leader.

Re: does LB undermine the team?

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:45 am
by Marvel
What are Jax and Wallace talking about....they are the leaders. This team is seriously screwed up. Time for a complete re-do.

Re: does LB undermine the team?

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:47 am
by MPM
I've been very slow to come around to this opinion, but I think that LB needs to go. With his questionable lineups and constant tinkering, it’s become apparent that he is no longer an effective in-game coach. He basically said as much in a recent interview, when he stated he didn't enjoy coaching games, he would rather just be involved in practice. I also think we can all agree that he doesn't want to be here. It seemed that his preference was to walk away this year and Jordan subtly held him hostage by insisting that other teams throw picks our way if they wanted LB. The result has been trickle down apathy. If you wonder why our players don’t seem to care as much this year, just look at the coach.

Despite reports to the contrary, I also do not believe that LB gets the most out of his players. Hey may be great at turning under the radar players into George Lynch’s, but that’s not saying a lot. Most players fail to escape his crushing overbearingness and suffer for it.

Let's just cut the cord now. Bring in a coach that can play to our team's strengths while still commanding respect. We all know that the team in its current form isn’t going anywhere, so why saddle LB with it so late in his career and why saddle our current players with LB’s limitations?

Re: does LB undermine the team?

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 4:05 am
by Bassman
I think this all points to the obvious. This team is coming undone; it is deteriorating before our eyes. The arguments about how the team has become soft, then discussing the departed who helped them with the toughness, has a point. Yet Crash and Jax aren't performing well either. It's a mess, and time to BLOW IT UP!

Re: does LB undermine the team?

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 5:05 am
by fatlever
and before this turns into a dj vs felton thing, lets make this clear... whether or not larry is right and the fault is soley on the difference between felton and dj, that is beside the point. as the leader of this team, he has to make everyone believe that nothing has changed and they have no excuses for not winning. when your leader makes excuses, everyone follows.

i keep bringing this back to stuff i can related to. in management, when i am given a task but the tools given to me to accomplish the task arent exactly what i had hoped for i cant sit around and complain to my team about "if we had more IT resources, if we had more personnel, if we had more overtime". i can discuss those things with my boss privately and let them know i will do my best, but once i address the team i tell them, this is what we have and we will make it work regardless.

i am sick of hearing excuses from this team and from our coach. i am sick of his constant complaining about personnel or lack of. nobody realistically expects this team to go to the finals. but we certainly dont expect to see a hall of fame coach's playoff dreams be completely derailed because he lost raymond felton.

Re: does LB undermine the team?

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 5:11 am
by fatlever
finally, some accountability from LB

"We don't play together, we don't play hard enough. We don't move the ball, we don't defend as a team,'' said coach Larry Brown, adding, "That's my fault.''

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Re: does LB undermine the team?

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 6:59 am
by therebirth
Yes but it might be too late. He has already filled his players head that they need felton inorder to win. I believe that paragraph was included to make it seem like LB is taking responsibility. He is not.

Re: does LB undermine the team?

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 8:40 am
by daidalos
I agree ... a HOF coach souldn't make excuses. And LB should have known that if he makes excuses, than everybody else will be.

Re: does LB undermine the team?

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 9:13 am
by penquin11
"It starts with (Wallace). It's starts with Jack, it starts with Boris'' Diaw, said Brown, adding, "It's not the youth. I think the youth plays with energy.''

Jackson took Brown's words as a challenge to "have more pride about losing games, be upset when we lose. We need to start taking it more personally. We've got to be more professional and more hungry.''


Holy sh*t our team sux,

Re: does LB undermine the team?

Posted: Tue Dec 7, 2010 2:39 am
by debo23
LB needs and wants to go and made that clear when camp started this summer. The only problem is that he's not willing to lose the remaining money on his contract and MJ can't afford to cut him and pay it off. I'm willing to bet if MJ had a bigger bank roll LB would have been shipped off by now... The whole LB love talk from MJ is all for PR.

BLOW IT UP

Re: does LB undermine the team?

Posted: Tue Dec 7, 2010 2:51 am
by fatlever
the team had a good practice today. lets hope that saturdays "airing of grievances" leads more towards a happy festivus and less towards an ugly "feats of strength" showdown between jax, wallace, dj and lb.

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_n ... index.html

Re: does LB undermine the team?

Posted: Tue Dec 7, 2010 2:53 am
by Walt Cronkite
Excellent Seinfeld references there.

Re: does LB undermine the team?

Posted: Wed Dec 8, 2010 2:20 pm
by MPM
Don't get me wrong - I respect LB as a teacher and master student of the game, but add this to my heap of coaching criticism.

Giving McGuire ALL of UPS' minutes is just stupid. No other way to put it.

Diaw is a fantastic post scorer. He almost never gets his name called in the post.

LB continues to run Wallace off of screens for jump shots he's incapable of hitting. I cringe whenever I see Wallace come off of a down screen.

Re: does LB undermine the team?

Posted: Wed Dec 8, 2010 11:44 pm
by BigSlam
It really shouldn't be any surprise that he undermines the team - should it? I mean, he's done it every where he's gone. He can't help it, it's how he tries to deflect any questions about his own coaching abilities and the fact that he tries desperately to live by a reputation that his actual ability can't maintain.