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Next 8 Games...Fools Gold? Or Good Trading Opportunity?

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Next 8 Games...Fools Gold? Or Good Trading Opportunity? 

Post#1 » by Battery » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:34 pm

Fools gold is what this next stretch of games will be.

Dec 27 - Detroit 10-20
Dec 29 - Cleveland 8-22
Dec 31 - Golden State 11-18
Jan 3 - Miami 23-9
Jan 5 - @Minnesota 7-24
Jan 8 - Washington 7-21
Jan 10 - Memphis 13-17
Jan 12 - Chicago 19-10

7 of 8 at home mostly against the worst teams in the NBA and no back to back games.

Detroit, Cleveland, Washington will play us on the second of a back to back so we "should" win these games.


So I think our best bet would be to play out these next 8 games and let our players improve their trade value because even if we were to win most of them and look good in the process, this team as presently constituted will not go very far.

There is a dilemma though, do we root for them to win and improve the players trade values or do we root for them to continue losing so it insures us we get a higher lottery pick? I guess the best thing is to play well make it exciting but lose in the last second of every game. Best of both worlds. :)
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Post#2 » by fatlever » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:42 pm

id love to see this team go on a tear and start winning just to spite larry brown. haha.

looking at that schedule i think anything less than 5-3 would be disappointing for this team.
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Post#3 » by BigSlam » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:47 pm

Why only two options? Why not the third:

Next 8 Games...How this team could have been playing all season if the head coach cared?
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Post#4 » by Battery » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:50 pm

fatlever wrote: id love to see this team go on a tear and start winning just to spite larry brown. haha.

looking at that schedule i think anything less than 5-3 would be disappointing for this team.



But thats fools gold and doesn't help us in the long term because you know this team is not good at all. If we win 6 of 8 and get back into the 8th seed, what good is that in the long run?
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Post#5 » by Battery » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:56 pm

BigSlam wrote:Why only two options? Why not the third:

Next 8 Games...How this team could have been playing all season if the head coach cared?



There are 3 options...

1.Win
2.Continue to look bad and get blown out
3.Lose very close games where we actually play very well


And now Slam you have your wish. No more blaming crappy performances on the head coach. However, it's ALL on the players now...nobody to hide behind. Should be interesting.

But I feel we will change the team up significantly so this won't be the same dreck we will have watched under Brown.

DJ needs to gooooooo
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Post#6 » by BigSlam » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:03 pm

Battery wrote:But I feel we will change the team up significantly so this won't be the same dreck we will have watched under Brown.

We're already ahead of the game. The front office significantly improved the team by firing Larry Brown's out dated, over rated arse.

Anything else at this stage will be gravy.
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Post#7 » by captaincrunk » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:05 pm

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... _to_magic/

Diaw to Magic. He'd be amazing there. His three point shooting isn't as good as Rashard's, but the rest of his game is better in almost every way. He'd fit in pretty well there as the starting 4, and they'd keep their bench firepower up. We'd get richardson back, who I don't like that much but whatever.
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Post#8 » by Battery » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:13 pm

BigSlam wrote:
Battery wrote:But I feel we will change the team up significantly so this won't be the same dreck we will have watched under Brown.

We're already ahead of the game. The front office significantly improved the team by firing Larry Brown's out dated, over rated arse.

Anything else at this stage will be gravy.



We shall see. You believe DJ is better than Raymond and Tyrus is better than TC so if this team remains the same, so I rightly assume you see Silas getting us to the playoffs and at the very least winning one playoff game.

Yeah good luck with that.
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Post#9 » by BigSlam » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:21 pm

We don't have to put up with the Larry Brown circus any more this season and even more importantly next season either. The damage Larry Brown has done this season dating back to the summer might not be repairable straight away, but knowing he wont be a distraction to the team any more is a huge step in the right direction.

He's no different to a cancerous player. You HAVE to rid your locker room of those types and thank God our front office fired his useless, self serving, egotistical arse.

It gives the team a chance to really move on.

Even if Silas and therefore the team falls squarely on their faces for the remainder of the season it wont matter, because at the end of the day, Larry Brown isn't here any more, and that's all that matters and the reason that it matters so much is because of the damage he did to this team.
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Post#10 » by Rich4114 » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:28 pm

I'd love to have J-Rich back personally. It will give us the flexibility to move Wallace or Jax and not even lose anything. TT could finally start at PF. Not to mention the cap space we'd have coming off the books in 2011.... make it happen!
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Post#11 » by captaincrunk » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:33 pm

I picked up Tyrus in fantasy. He better get 25 minutes+ this game. I don't care if he has an off day, but if he still doesn't get minutes they need to release info on his purported injuries.
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Post#12 » by JDuaneWayne » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:45 pm

captaincrunk wrote:I picked up Tyrus in fantasy. He better get 25 minutes+ this game. I don't care if he has an off day, but if he still doesn't get minutes they need to release info on his purported injuries.


He won't play 25 minutes if in that 25 minutes he expect to shoot 15-20 times. We will see though, he has a lot to do to prove to me he's more than a high energy spark plug off the bench.
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Post#13 » by Battery » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:59 pm

BigSlam wrote:We don't have to put up with the Larry Brown circus any more this season and even more importantly next season either. The damage Larry Brown has done this season dating back to the summer might not be repairable straight away, but knowing he wont be a distraction to the team any more is a huge step in the right direction.

He's no different to a cancerous player. You HAVE to rid your locker room of those types and thank God our front office fired his useless, self serving, egotistical arse.

It gives the team a chance to really move on.

Even if Silas and therefore the team falls squarely on their faces for the remainder of the season it wont matter, because at the end of the day, Larry Brown isn't here any more, and that's all that matters and the reason that it matters so much is because of the damage he did to this team.



There you go giving a free pass to the players on this team. Amazing how we can win 44 games last season, get worse over the summer team wise, and yet you still sit here and blame everything on Larry Brown. Unreal!


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Post#14 » by BigSlam » Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:06 am

Battery wrote:There you go giving a free pass to the players on this team.

And yet you are willing to continually give Larry Brown a free pass?

Forgive me if I am mistaken because I have never been fired from a job, but I'm pretty sure that short of redundancy the only reason people get fired is because they SUCK at their jobs? Larry Brown SUCKED at his job and because he was in a position of such power that held those under him back.

Amazing how we can win 44 games last season, get worse over the summer team wise, and yet you still sit here and blame everything on Larry Brown. Unreal!

Last season Larry Brown took over a team that was on the cusp of getting to the playoffs (again) and that team got there. Big whoop. He also gave a damn last season. He stopped giving a damn here a LONG time ago.

Again, regardless of the outcome for the rest of the season I am just so happy that we have a head coach that actually cares about the team and it;s players more than he cares about being a cancer to his team.
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Post#15 » by Stun704 » Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:26 am

Wow battery is such a horrible poster.. this guy actually hates DJ who scored 27 points this game, and loves Larry Brown, who led this team to underachieve so much.. you must be the best troll ever
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Post#16 » by BigSlam » Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:28 am

Attack the post, not the poster please guys.
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Post#17 » by Battery » Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:31 am

Stun704 wrote:Wow battery is such a horrible poster.. this guy actually hates DJ who scored 27 points this game, and loves Larry Brown, who led this team to underachieve so much.. you must be the best troll ever



Whoever said I love Larry Brown??? What I said and what I've said all along is that blaming the coach takes away player accountability. It will be the same with Silas, i will always blame the players first. Although in this game I thought Silas did a poor job managing the players minutes.
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Post#18 » by Stun704 » Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:33 am

Battery wrote:
Stun704 wrote:Wow battery is such a horrible poster.. this guy actually hates DJ who scored 27 points this game, and loves Larry Brown, who led this team to underachieve so much.. you must be the best troll ever



Whoever said I love Larry Brown??? What I said and what I've said all along is that blaming the coach takes away player accountability. It will be the same with Silas, i will always blame the players first. Although in this game I thought Silas did a poor job managing the players minutes.

I apologize for the personal attack, didn't mean anything by it, I just think you try to play devils advocate.. But honestly Its 99.9% Larry Browns fault, players take on the personality of the coach, LB was a lame duck, so the players played like a lame duck, Silas is treating this coaching position as a "dream job" and the players are playing with energy and emotion. its common sense
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Post#19 » by fatlever » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:37 am

battery, it is certainly fair to say that players deserve blame for not playing hard, regardless of the situation and i dont think anyone here should absolve the players from their poor play. but what amazes me is that you fail to recognize the massive negative impact that larry brown's attitude had on this team since last april. honestly, its like you have made your mind up and you are more concerned with arguing only to support your point of view.

this has happened everywhere larry brown has ever coached. the man might be a basketball genius, but he has some serious social issues that always eventually undermine his ability to coach. coaching is half teaching the game and half managing people. larry brown is an absolute horrendous manager of people and he has shown that in ever coaching job in his career. the man is stubborn to a fault and absolutely refuses to make any adjustments to his coaching style or personality, consequences be damned. he is only an effective coach when everything is going his way and when he is 100% engaged in his job.

two things happened this year. 1) larry brown was not engaged in this job. he obviously did not want to be here and it showed to everyone. 2) everything was not going his way and he refused to make any adjustments to right the ship.
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Post#20 » by Battery » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:22 am

fatlever wrote:battery, it is certainly fair to say that players deserve blame for not playing hard, regardless of the situation and i dont think anyone here should absolve the players from their poor play. but what amazes me is that you fail to recognize the massive negative impact that larry brown's attitude had on this team since last april. honestly, its like you have made your mind up and you are more concerned with arguing only to support your point of view.

this has happened everywhere larry brown has ever coached. the man might be a basketball genius, but he has some serious social issues that always eventually undermine his ability to coach. coaching is half teaching the game and half managing people. larry brown is an absolute horrendous manager of people and he has shown that in ever coaching job in his career. the man is stubborn to a fault and absolutely refuses to make any adjustments to his coaching style or personality, consequences be damned. he is only an effective coach when everything is going his way and when he is 100% engaged in his job.

two things happened this year. 1) larry brown was not engaged in this job. he obviously did not want to be here and it showed to everyone. 2) everything was not going his way and he refused to make any adjustments to right the ship.



I never said I was some big Larry Brown fan. MJ could have hired God over the summer and I would have still criticized the players. Heck I still blame Jokafor for quitting on Sam Vincent that December. Point is, it doesn't matter who the coach is right now until they start bringing in players I think we can win with.

You have no proof LB was disengaged, all we see are players playing much worse than last season and we lost a couple of key defensive players/leaders. Knicks fans were killing D'Antoni when they were 3-8 saying he was terrible coach, but it wasn't until Amar'e and Raymond stepped up and called out everyone in the locker room that the team started to play better. We don't have any of that leadership here, if we did then perhaps we get back to playing like we did last season. But instead we had Gerald and S-Jax criticizing DJ publicly. It was clear they did not believe in DJ, I mean who could blame them, they saw how terrible he was last season.

And Silas brought up DJ in his post game PC and said he had lost his confidence. Now this is a professional athlete we're talking about here, a point guard who is supposed to be fearless and play with confidence. Larry was very demanding of DJ, trying to make him better but it just didn't register with him and thats what seeped into the rest of the team. Then you had angry vet Nazr chiming in and that made it a bad situation. It happens, but if DJ played better and we had more leadership from our veterans then things would not have gotten so bad. And when you're not winning every little thing gets magnified. Like what happened in NY, Miami and like whats happening with the Lakers now because of their recent poor play. Sh*t happens, players need to step up and be accountable. The good teams have leaders (players) who lead them out of the tough times, the mediocre teams don't.

And we gave up 100 points to the Detroit Pistons tonight. If we didn't have such an amazing run in the second, we could have easily lost this one and you would not be making this post. Think long term, not short.

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