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Is Augustin Our Future At The Point?

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Is Augustin Our Future At The Point? 

Post#1 » by BigSlam » Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:35 pm

Hell of an article here. Points out the good and the bad of DJ. There are a couple of really interesting paragraphs:

That's both empowering and rattling if you're a pleaser like Augustin, still emerging from Larry-Ball.


Turns out Augustin is quite a driver. Silas never saw that, watching Bobcats games as a fan from his Lake Norman home. Silas knew Augustin could make 3-pointers and could finish in transition, but in the half-court offense, Augustin almost never got into the lane.

There's an irony there – when Augustin was a rookie, playing in the Las Vegas Summer League, all he did was beat people off the dribble. It's almost as if he forgot how.

I've always been able to do it," Augustin said of slicing through the lane. "But in the past, I always wanted to run the offense the correct way, instead of breaking things off like I've been doing. Just creating."


In reporting this story, the Observer analyzed three recent games, possession-by-possession, when Augustin played. They were home victories over the Chicago Bulls and Memphis Grizzlies and a road loss to the Philadelphia 76ers.

Some themes emerged: He'll likely never dominate the ball like Denver's Chauncey Billups or Phoenix's Steve Nash. He's efficient as a playmaker, but not supremely creative. He suffers from a lack of finishers when he does make the right pass in proper rhythm.

A majority of the time (116 possessions out of about 200), Augustin had no direct impact on whether the Bobcats scored. You'd somewhat expect that from a point guard who is a spot-up jump shooter, playing with Diaw and Jackson – guys who see themselves as playmakers.

Augustin decided 66 possessions (nearly a third of the total) either with an assist or by making or missing a shot. He ended eight more by committing a turnover – roughly one-tenth of the total possessions (and that was somewhat skewed by the season-high five turnovers he committed against the Grizzlies).

While he might not be the most dynamic passer, he doesn't get much help from the Bobcats' limited offense (92.9 ppg., third-lowest in the NBA). Over the three games, there were 12 instances of what you'd call "near-miss" assists, where Augustin hit a shooter in stride for an open jump shot or layup, but the teammate didn't complete the play.


Augustin had to learn to get out of his own way, to be more vocal and assertive in a manner that doesn't come naturally.


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Is he showing enough at this stage to think he could be our full time point?
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Post#2 » by captaincrunk » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:23 pm

Definitely yes, in my opinion. He's clearly a starter in this league now.
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Post#3 » by Rich4114 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:43 pm

If you're cool with your starting PG being in the lower third of the leagues starting PG's then yes.

DJ has proven that he's not as bad as he was looking the past year and early this year but also that he's basically just "ok or good" and not exceptional. Opponents aren't thinking about DJ Augustine before they play us.

He's a good scorer and he's quick but he's also a crappy defender and not really a play maker of any sort.

So I say no. Give me a top 10 PG and then I'll consider them the future for that position on our team. DJ is a good stop gap or top tier backup PG.
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Post#4 » by captaincrunk » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:07 pm

Rich4114 wrote:If you're cool with your starting PG being in the lower third of the leagues starting PG's then yes.

DJ has proven that he's not as bad as he was looking the past year and early this year but also that he's basically just "ok or good" and not exceptional. Opponents aren't thinking about DJ Augustine before they play us.

He's a good scorer and he's quick but he's also a crappy defender and not really a play maker of any sort.

So I say no. Give me a top 10 PG and then I'll consider them the future for that position on our team. DJ is a good stop gap or top tier backup PG.

You can't have a top ten player at every position. Besides he's still very young, it would be nearly impossible for him not to improve from where he's at.
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Post#5 » by Bassman » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:16 pm

When you examine our roster, looking for young players who can produce now, and have upside, DJ has to be on that list. Combined with his salary situation, he's very worth developing while you attack other weaker elements of need.

Will he be a top tier PG? Not likely. But based on what he's now doing, and if surrounded by more talented players, I really think he is a very servicable starter for us. And that's a good thing to be in this league, as there aren't many CP3's coming along every year.
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Post#6 » by captaincrunk » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:20 pm

Not to mention that he won't be all that expensive, even after his rookie contract.
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Post#7 » by countryboi » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:26 pm

PG and center are the most important positions in the nba....this team is never going to be top notch til we get a top notch PG or center so the first chance we get to upgrade the position we need to jump in it...
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Post#8 » by captaincrunk » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:30 pm

countryboi wrote:PG and center are the most important positions in the nba....this team is never going to be top notch til we get a top notch PG or center so the first chance we get to upgrade the position we need to jump in it...

PG lead teams rarely win championships. Look at the Lakers. DJ Augustin is better than Derek Fisher and they've won plenty. But you're right about a scoring inside presence. It doesn't have to be a C (Pau scores from the 4) but it doesn't hurt that he's still 7' tall anyway.
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Post#9 » by el-mago » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:03 pm

captaincrunk wrote:Definitely yes, in my opinion. He's clearly a starter in this league now.


Not true. Depends of which team at the very least. He's probably a legitimate starter in a championship caliber team or surronded by two or three great players, a la Derek Fisher. Statistically i believe he could look pretty good in a D'antoni/Nelson type offense because it's typically the kind of system that'll fit DJ and hide his defensive weaknesses.

captaincrunk wrote:PG lead teams rarely win championships. Look at the Lakers. DJ Augustin is better than Derek Fisher and they've won plenty. But you're right about a scoring inside presence. It doesn't have to be a C (Pau scores from the 4) but it doesn't hurt that he's still 7' tall anyway.


The lakers run a triangle offense in which usually the role of the PG is strongly diminished.
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Post#10 » by W_HAMILTON » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:04 pm

To put things in perspective, Augustin has started 54 games in his three seasons -- the same number Felton started in just his rookie season. We really haven't had the opportunities to see what he can do yet, and he's already proven wrong a few doubters that were so quick to write him off.

As it stands, there's no reason we MUST find a replacement for him (like the sentiment was earlier in the year). He's inexpensive and has shown that he can produce and at least run this team at a level we've grown accustomed in recent years.

Augustin still has a lot of developing to do, and the answer to whether or not he is our "future" at the point will most likely depend on how he improves over the next couple of seasons. Some of the qualities he needs to work on most can be improved by being allowed the sorts of opportunities is now being given, so it's just a matter of whether he will take advantage of it.
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Post#11 » by ohara » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:11 pm

For the short term future, he is definitely the starting PG. We can win with him as the PG if we can get the other pieces we need. They take priority right now.
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Post#12 » by Walt Cronkite » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:45 pm

Definite "yes".
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Post#13 » by doc.end » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:51 pm

This thread is a DJ's fault.
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Post#14 » by doc.end » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:53 pm

And yes, unles we stumble on clearly better BPA point guard in the draft one day. Probably by winning a TOP pick in the process.
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Post#15 » by truthbtold21 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:32 pm

right now i would say yes...but i would like to see if we could get a combo guard ala.... westbrook and rose.
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Post#16 » by countryboi » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:02 pm

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countryboi wrote:PG and center are the most important positions in the nba....this team is never going to be top notch til we get a top notch PG or center so the first chance we get to upgrade the position we need to jump in it...

PG lead teams rarely win championships. Look at the Lakers. DJ Augustin is better than Derek Fisher and they've won plenty. But you're right about a scoring inside presence. It doesn't have to be a C (Pau scores from the 4) but it doesn't hurt that he's still 7' tall anyway.


that not a valid argument cause fisher plays next kobe....if you look at all the top teams in the nba they either have a great PG or a great center.....sometimes but rarely you can get by with having a dominate wing player but they better be top 5....anyway the point is DJ is not going to get the job done in the long run
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Post#17 » by Jaruff » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:08 pm

With his success under Silas, I don't see how you can trade him unless you're receiving great value in return. If Silas (or someone with a similar philosophy) is coaching next year, DJ is the best available option. If we revert back to Larry-ish ball, then we have a problem.
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Post#18 » by Paydro70 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:14 pm

el-mago wrote:Not true. Depends of which team at the very least. He's probably a legitimate starter in a championship caliber team or surronded by two or three great players, a la Derek Fisher. Statistically i believe he could look pretty good in a D'antoni/Nelson type offense because it's typically the kind of system that'll fit DJ and hide his defensive weaknesses.

As he currently is, you're correct, he could be no better than 4th-best on a championship team. That said, he's about average as an NBA point guard, and that qualifies him as "starter in the league."

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captaincrunk wrote:PG lead teams rarely win championships. Look at the Lakers. DJ Augustin is better than Derek Fisher and they've won plenty. But you're right about a scoring inside presence. It doesn't have to be a C (Pau scores from the 4) but it doesn't hurt that he's still 7' tall anyway.


The lakers run a triangle offense in which usually the role of the PG is strongly diminished.

We've seen Derek Fisher outside of the Lakers O. He's never been as good as DJ is now... and DJ's not exactly awesome.

I think that Hamilton has the right idea... we really don't know yet what DJ can become. Anyone can be moved for the right price, but I'd consider DJ to be one of the few pieces we should not look to trade as a part of our rebuilding plan. He's the only player young enough and with enough potential that he could be a part of our new core. Sure, if we can draft Irving, then take him. But I'd consider PG to be a far lower priority to improve than center (or swingman, if we trade one of those 2).

An elite PG is not necessary to win. No position HAS to be elite to win a title. You just can't have a glaring hole, and you have to have at least one or two players who are elite.
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Post#19 » by e4Nf6 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:16 pm

Rich4114 wrote:If you're cool with your starting PG being in the lower third of the leagues starting PG's then yes.

DJ has proven that he's not as bad as he was looking the past year and early this year but also that he's basically just "ok or good" and not exceptional. Opponents aren't thinking about DJ Augustine before they play us.

He's a good scorer and he's quick but he's also a crappy defender and not really a play maker of any sort.

So I say no. Give me a top 10 PG and then I'll consider them the future for that position on our team. DJ is a good stop gap or top tier backup PG.




C´mon now, it´s not his fault the Bobcats didn´t resign you. You´re making a lot of money now and you fit in better with the Knicks anyway, there´s no need for the sour grapes toward DJ.
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Post#20 » by BigSlam » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:27 pm

Paydro70 wrote:I think that Hamilton has the right idea... we really don't know yet what DJ can become.

Yup, I agree. DJ still has two seasons after this one on his rookie scale contract so we aren't in any real rush just yet. Good to see that in only his 3rd season and after being crushed for a season and a 1/3 by the PG crusher he has bounced back the way he has though and is producing the way he is.

I'd consider PG to be a far lower priority to improve than center

This was going to be part #2 of the question.

If we had the #1 over all pick in the draft and the nation was divided on who should be the first name called and the two options were a PG or a C, which way would you go?
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