GSW Fan Trade Offer (Crash & A 1st for Curry & Beans)

[radtech]

Would you trade Wallace, Mohammed, and 2011 lottery pick for Andris Biedrins, Charlie Bell, and Stephen Curry?

Pros: Curry returns home and is needed since Augustin is not good enough to be the starter. Bell is a vet with a contract that ends next year. Andris is a young center who needs a change in scenery. Hopefully that returns him to his pre injury form.

Cons: Trade gives the Bobcats plenty of youth which is good and bad. The bad is Curry has been beaten repeatedly on defense and Andris still can't find the confidence he had before whenhe averaged a double-double several years ago.

[Stun704]

this guy said DJ isn't good enough to be a starter, lol DJ has been a better point guard then Steph has this year, but to answer your question the we can't trade '11 lotto pick, but a DJ, Steph back court would be nasty.

[Diop]

No as we can't trade the 2011 draft pick.
Otherwise, absolutely, but if you put that on the trade board the other GSW fans will roast you.

[captaincrunk]

DJ is playing better than Curry right now. Curry is a little small to guard 2's or I'd do it.

[BigSlam]

No - because I am happy with what we are getting out of DJ at the point, I don't want to give up a 1st round pick and IMO Biedrins sucks.

[Bassman]

It's amazing how perception ebbs and flows. Curry being traded would have been a "WHAT???" reaction last year. Now the holes in his game are more evident and he could be dealt in the right situation.

I agree that a DJ/Curry back court is potent but far too small to defend this league. DJ is our PG, period. He's emerged to slay dragons, and hopefully will continue to improve. Curry's best role is PG, so he's not a factor for us. I would have leved getting Biedrens at one point, but Kwame is now providing everything he ever did.

[countryboi]

could you a image how bad DJ/Curry defense would be in the back court man they better hit every shot.....still i like curry more than DJ but not enough to give up a first rounder

[fatlever]

as a huge huge curry homer i doubt i would do this deal right now because
a) curry and dj are too similar and i wouldnt want to play them together so unless we had another deal to move dj then it wouldnt work
b) beans is ALWAYS injured. when healthy he has value but he is never healthy

that being said... the people suggesting that dj is better than curry now need to step back from the kool-aid just a tad. dj has been fantastic since silas came here, but curry is simply a better all around player, better shooter, better passer and better defender. the only reason their numbers are similar this year (since the coaching change) is because
a) curry had an awful ankle injury that has limited him
b) curry shares the backcourt with ellis

if the warriors called us today and offered us curry for dj straight the bobcats would be all over it.

[fatlever]

It's amazing how perception ebbs and flows. Curry being traded would have been a "WHAT???" reaction last year. Now the holes in his game are more evident and he could be dealt in the right situation.

what holes are in his game this year that everyone didnt already know about?

interesting tweet from yesterday... someone asked larry coon if the warriors had to deal ellis or curry, who would be dealt and he said ellis. ellis is the guy the warriors would move, not curry.

curry has been injured this year, which is the only reason his numbers are down a tad. plus ellis has been playing lights out so it makes sense for curry to step back and let ellis do his thing. the only holes in his game are the same ones that have always been there
a) man to man defense is lacking - although he has great quick hands and gets lots of steals
b) lateral quickness is a tad slow for a pg
c) cant penetrate as well as some of the quicker guards in the league

[fatlever]

to the OP, your suggestion that dj isnt good enough to be the starter is way way off base. you should check out dj's numbers since silas became coach. they are around 18ppg and 7apg on fantastic shooting %s. we are 10-6 in that stretch. dj might never be a top 10 pg simply because of his defensive liabilities but he is no longer a question mark or a negative. he is definitely a starting caliber pg.

[BigSlam]

that being said... the people suggesting that dj is better than curry now need to step back from the kool-aid just a tad. dj has been fantastic since silas came here, but curry is simply a better all around player, better shooter, better passer and better defender.
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if the warriors called us today and offered us curry for dj straight the bobcats would be all over it.

I would totally trade DJ straight up for Curry - but that isn't the offer.

I wouldn't do DJ and a 1st for Curry (I don't think the distance between the two is great enough to warrant adding a 1st).

I sure as heck wouldn't do Crash for Beans (even when Beans is healthy I think he is trash).

And I wouldn't do Nazzy (expiring) for Bell (has an extra year on his contract).

[BigSlam]

interesting tweet from yesterday... someone asked larry coon if the warriors had to deal ellis or curry, who would be dealt and he said ellis. ellis is the guy the warriors would move, not curry.

Ellis making 4 times more money than Curry at the moment, three times as much for the two years after and double the 4th year might have a lot to do with that?

[fatlever]

that being said... the people suggesting that dj is better than curry now need to step back from the kool-aid just a tad. dj has been fantastic since silas came here, but curry is simply a better all around player, better shooter, better passer and better defender.
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if the warriors called us today and offered us curry for dj straight the bobcats would be all over it.

I would totally trade DJ straight up for Curry - but that isn't the offer.

I wouldn't do DJ and a 1st for Curry (I don't think the distance between the two is great enough to warrant adding a 1st).

I sure as heck wouldn't do Crash for Beans (even when Beans is healthy I think he is trash).

And I wouldn't do Nazzy (expiring) for Bell (has an extra year on his contract).

we agree, the trade as proposed isnt one the bobcats should do. giving up way too much.

[fatlever]

interesting tweet from yesterday... someone asked larry coon if the warriors had to deal ellis or curry, who would be dealt and he said ellis. ellis is the guy the warriors would move, not curry.

Ellis making 4 times more money than Curry at the moment, three times as much for the two years after and double the 4th year might have a lot to do with that?

im sure money is a factor... but i think he was speaking more about who would you want to build the team around, ellis as your sg or curry as your pg.

[Olajuwon34]

if we could somehow make it work defensively this would be awesome! That combo would probably be the best 3 point duo in the league! Practically I highly doubt it would happen as Hendo is looking like our future at sg...

[captaincrunk]

as a huge huge curry homer i doubt i would do this deal right now because
a) curry and dj are too similar and i wouldnt want to play them together so unless we had another deal to move dj then it wouldnt work
b) beans is ALWAYS injured. when healthy he has value but he is never healthy

that being said... the people suggesting that dj is better than curry now need to step back from the kool-aid just a tad. dj has been fantastic since silas came here, but curry is simply a better all around player, better shooter, better passer and better defender. the only reason their numbers are similar this year (since the coaching change) is because
a) curry had an awful ankle injury that has limited him
b) curry shares the backcourt with ellis

if the warriors called us today and offered us curry for dj straight the bobcats would be all over it.

I wasn't saying he IS better, just that he has been playing better than him lately. Augustin's shooting ability is certainly up there however. They're probably on the same level in that regard. DJ is more athletic (it seems). But yeah, Curry is the better player, but not because DJ is bad. It's because Curry is quite good.

[captaincrunk]

interesting tweet from yesterday... someone asked larry coon if the warriors had to deal ellis or curry, who would be dealt and he said ellis. ellis is the guy the warriors would move, not curry.

Ellis making 4 times more money than Curry at the moment, three times as much for the two years after and double the 4th year might have a lot to do with that?

It will be well earned money, and eventually Curry will get a big deal too.

[fatlever]

as a huge huge curry homer i doubt i would do this deal right now because
a) curry and dj are too similar and i wouldnt want to play them together so unless we had another deal to move dj then it wouldnt work
b) beans is ALWAYS injured. when healthy he has value but he is never healthy

that being said... the people suggesting that dj is better than curry now need to step back from the kool-aid just a tad. dj has been fantastic since silas came here, but curry is simply a better all around player, better shooter, better passer and better defender. the only reason their numbers are similar this year (since the coaching change) is because
a) curry had an awful ankle injury that has limited him
b) curry shares the backcourt with ellis

if the warriors called us today and offered us curry for dj straight the bobcats would be all over it.

I wasn't saying he IS better, just that he has been playing better than him lately. Augustin's shooting ability is certainly up there however. They're probably on the same level in that regard. DJ is more athletic (it seems). But yeah, Curry is the better player, but not because DJ is bad. It's because Curry is quite good.

ok. fair enough.

i just want to make sure all us homers arent drinking that dj kool aid too fast. its so nice to see him playing this way finally, but its only been 1 month. we have to put it in perspective. and his defense, no matter how great he plays offensively, is still a concern.

[captaincrunk]

as a huge huge curry homer i doubt i would do this deal right now because
a) curry and dj are too similar and i wouldnt want to play them together so unless we had another deal to move dj then it wouldnt work
b) beans is ALWAYS injured. when healthy he has value but he is never healthy

that being said... the people suggesting that dj is better than curry now need to step back from the kool-aid just a tad. dj has been fantastic since silas came here, but curry is simply a better all around player, better shooter, better passer and better defender. the only reason their numbers are similar this year (since the coaching change) is because
a) curry had an awful ankle injury that has limited him
b) curry shares the backcourt with ellis

if the warriors called us today and offered us curry for dj straight the bobcats would be all over it.

I wasn't saying he IS better, just that he has been playing better than him lately. Augustin's shooting ability is certainly up there however. They're probably on the same level in that regard. DJ is more athletic (it seems). But yeah, Curry is the better player, but not because DJ is bad. It's because Curry is quite good.

ok. fair enough.

i just want to make sure all us homers arent drinking that dj kool aid too fast. its so nice to see him playing this way finally, but its only been 1 month. we have to put it in perspective. and his defense, no matter how great he plays offensively, is still a concern.

He's been doing decently on defense as of late, especially help defense. He's not a bad guy to be 1/2 a double team, that's for sure.

[moevil]

DJ's defense is awful. Don't let yourself fool you.

So is Jackson's and Wallace's, so it makes DJ good option on our squad, as he is the best offensive force.