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ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:01 pm
by 99problems
Insider
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/news/sto ... s-6-110316While the Bobcats are in last place in our rankings once again, the glass-half-full view is that they're not quite as far down as they were the last time we did this exercise. Trading Gerald Wallace and Nazr Mohammed managed to clear up a very messy cap situation and brought in some youth.
On the court, the Bobcats have a bit more hope, too. Youngsters D.J. Augustin, Tyrus Thomas and Gerald Henderson look like at least long-term rotation players now, making the league's emptiest cupboard look slightly less barren. Additionally, Charlotte should benefit from high draft picks, and the first-rounder the Cats owe Chicago has sufficient lottery protection that it may not head Chicago's way for a while.
Nonetheless, the questions massively outweigh the answers. Michael Jordan may be an improvement over Robert Johnson as an owner, but the same two guys (Jordan and GM Rod Higgins) are making personnel calls and their track record has been spotty at best. In particular, the decisions to offload Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton this past offseason seem misguided in the wake of breakout seasons by each; amazingly, the Chandler trade didn't even save the team money.
Charlotte could have cap room in two years, but which players want to go to that franchise, and can Jordan afford them anyway? Charlotte has little to differentiate it as a city, and it sports a low-profile, fairly miserable team on the court and an owner whose pockets appear relatively shallow. Put it all together and the next three years are likely to be extremely challenging for Mike's Cats.
And please, no "Hollinger sucks!" responses. This is Hollinger plus Chad Ford - and it's not exactly rocket science. Plus, they have the Bobcats in better place than the last two times they've done this - and Gerald Wallace was traded exactly because of how bleak things looked.
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:35 pm
by doc.end
Hollinger sucks!
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:36 pm
by Stun704
Hollinger blows big hairy donkey balls!
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:48 pm
by Eoghan
Hollinger really sucks?
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:51 pm
by captaincrunk
BOOO BOBCATS
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:52 pm
by Jaruff
99problems wrote:Insider
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/news/sto ... s-6-110316While the Bobcats are in last place in our rankings once again, the glass-half-full view is that they're not quite as far down as they were the last time we did this exercise. Trading Gerald Wallace and Nazr Mohammed managed to clear up a very messy cap situation and brought in some youth.
On the court, the Bobcats have a bit more hope, too. Youngsters D.J. Augustin, Tyrus Thomas and Gerald Henderson look like at least long-term rotation players now, making the league's emptiest cupboard look slightly less barren. Additionally, Charlotte should benefit from high draft picks, and the first-rounder the Cats owe Chicago has sufficient lottery protection that it may not head Chicago's way for a while.
Nonetheless, the questions massively outweigh the answers. Michael Jordan may be an improvement over Robert Johnson as an owner, but the same two guys (Jordan and GM Rod Higgins) are making personnel calls and their track record has been spotty at best. In particular, the decisions to offload Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton this past offseason seem misguided in the wake of breakout seasons by each; amazingly, the Chandler trade didn't even save the team money.
Charlotte could have cap room in two years, but which players want to go to that franchise, and can Jordan afford them anyway? Charlotte has little to differentiate it as a city, and it sports a low-profile, fairly miserable team on the court and an owner whose pockets appear relatively shallow. Put it all together and the next three years are likely to be extremely challenging for Mike's Cats.
And please, no "Hollinger sucks!" responses. This is Hollinger plus Chad Ford - and it's not exactly rocket science. Plus, they have the Bobcats in better place than the last two times they've done this - and Gerald Wallace was traded exactly because of how bleak things looked.
Statements like this always piss me off about these assessments. Would they agree that Felton was worth the money he wanted for us? Chandler played 50-ish games last year. He might be playing well for Dallas but would he give us anything Kwame doesn't? Same goes for Felton; if he stays, he's certainly not racking up the points like he had with the Knicks this year.
I'd argue that Detroit is in a worse situation than we are.
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:56 pm
by BigSlam
Hollinger AND Ford suck?
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:53 pm
by Jaruff
BigSlam wrote:Hollinger AND Ford suck?
ESPN sucks.
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:44 pm
by bobcats3wallace
Jaruff wrote:BigSlam wrote:Hollinger AND Ford suck?
ESPN sucks.
They suck because of how painfully obvious it ALWAYS becomes that they know very little about the Bobcats yet try to pretend they are experts. I'll be willing to bet niether of them know how Hendo has played as a starter. I would also bet niether of them have a clue who DJ Whie is. We'll see, but I think we will proove these bafoons wrong.
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:23 am
by W_HAMILTON
Nice that we sacrificed the present just to retain the title of the team with the bleakest future.
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:49 am
by countryboi
how are the bobcats future worse than the raptors and the cavs......Hollinger you suck
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:19 am
by captaincrunk
countryboi wrote:how are the bobcats future worse than the raptors and the cavs......Hollinger you suck
Well the cavs have like 4 lottery picks over the next two years.
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:55 am
by countryboi
3 lottery picks and a late first?
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:59 am
by captaincrunk
countryboi wrote:3 lottery picks and a late first?
Something to that effect. But 3 lottery picks - two likely to be quite high - helps loads.
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:48 am
by W_HAMILTON
What did he mean when he said the Chandler trade didn't save us money?
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:51 am
by captaincrunk
W_HAMILTON wrote:What did he mean when he said the Chandler trade didn't save us money?
Well Chandler is an expiring, while Carroll and Najera aren't (Dampier was though).
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:19 am
by dmutombo321
captaincrunk wrote:W_HAMILTON wrote:What did he mean when he said the Chandler trade didn't save us money?
Well Chandler is an expiring, while Carroll and Najera aren't (Dampier was though).
That's what made the move so bone headed; Jordan saved a few mil this season only in exchange for taking on even more $ long term by assuming the multi year balances remaining on Carroll and Naraja's contracts. Ultimately, the deal amounts to a net loss financially.
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:30 am
by captaincrunk
dmutombo321 wrote:captaincrunk wrote:W_HAMILTON wrote:What did he mean when he said the Chandler trade didn't save us money?
Well Chandler is an expiring, while Carroll and Najera aren't (Dampier was though).
That's what made the move so bone headed; Jordan saved a few mil this season only in exchange for taking on even more $ long term by assuming the multi year balances remaining on Carroll and Naraja's contracts. Ultimately, the deal amounts to a net loss financially.
Yeah. Though to be fair I think the Bobcats thought they were getting more talent in return, assuming Dampier would play at a cheaper contract and at a similar level to Tyson, then adding in two half decent role players. Honestly I really don't understand that move at all.
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:50 am
by Stun704
Dampier trade was made for CP3.. but i'm assuming shinn renigged on the deal when he had probably verbally agreed to taking dampier and filler for CP3
Re: ESPN Future Power Rankings - Bobcats last...again
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:18 am
by therebirth
The cats are going to lose 20 million this season. Now add what would have been Tyson and Felton's contract plus the luxury tax for a team that everybody said peak last year at 7 th seed. What kind of sence does that make. None. And it is no secret those two hate the cats. Didn't Ford report that no one wanted Wallace for a pick?