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Link to 2009 draft - viewtopic.php?f=53&t=927213
Link to 2010 draft - viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1038439

The rules/criteria
- You have to fill out all the roster spots by selecting one player for each category.
- You can fill the categories in any order you wish.
- You must tell which category your selection is for at the time of the selection.
- No player can be selected by two different teams.
- The team is for next season, not a team to build for the future. The winner will be the team that has the best chance of winning an NBA title next year (as voted on by the other managers).
- You do not have to select a player who is currently in the NBA. (you can select a player playing overseas or in the NBDL or other leagues or even someone who is recently retired)
- There is no "do not draft list" this year.

Draft
- Done via message board. Dont sign up if you dont plan to visit the board several times per day.
- Serpentine draft (i.e if you pick 10 you will also pick 11. if you pick 1 you wont pick again until 20)
- There is a time limit on picks. Each person gets 6 hours to make their pick. Hours only count between 8AM and 1AM EST. (example if it becomes your pick at 10PM then you have until 11AM to make your pick). If time expires and you have not made your pick, the next person can go ahead and make their pick. The person who was skipped can make their pick at any time after.
- People who go several days w/out making their pick will either have their team given to someone else or their team will simply be shut down.

Winner
- After the draft each team will vote for the team that they think has the best chance at winning the finals in 2010.
- You cant vote for your own team.
- You get 3 votes (first, second, third). first is worth 3pts, second is worth 2pts, third is worth 1pt. most points wins.

Source
- Use basketball-reference.com as the source for your data, such as college, city of birth, height and weight.

Categories
1. All-star - player has been selected to at least one all-star game
2. Homegrown - player was either born in, went to high school or went to college in North Carolina or South Carolina.
3. West Coast - player attended a Pac 12 college
4. Sharpshooter - player has made at least 150 3-point baskets in a single season
5. Fooled the Scouts - player was selected in the 2nd round in 2006 or earlier
6. 6th Man - player started less than 20 games, but played in more than 40 games in 2010-11 season.
7. Non-Lotto - player was selected between #15 and #60 in the 2007 - 2011 drafts.
8. NBDL - player played at least 1 game in the NBDL.
9. Southpaw - player's dominate hand is his left hand.
10. Toothpick - player must fit one of these criteria - 6'9" or taller but weighing 220 lbs or less; 6'5" - 6'8" taller but weighing 190 lbs or less; 6'0" - 6'4" but weighing 170 lbs or less. (must use basketball-reference.com as source for height and weight)
11. First/Last - player's first name starts with the same letter as the first letter in their last name (example: Bismack Biyombo)
12. Bust - player was selected in the 1st round of the 2009 draft (or earlier drafts) but averaged less than 10 points per game in the 2010-11 season.

Draft Order
1. LamarMatic7/Doc.end
2. Fred Williamson
3. Takuya Kimura
4. Ian
5. Sachmo
6. Captaincrunk
7. Countryboi
8. Fatlever
9. Stun704
10. Kemba2hendo
11. Bigslam
12. JMAC
13. Paydro
14. Jaruff

LamarMatic7/Doc
1. All-star - Gerald Wallace
2. Homegrown - David West
3. West Coast - Jason Terry
4. Sharpshooter - Dirk Nowitzki
5. Fooled the Scouts - CJ Miles
6. 6th Man - Jordan Crawford
7. Non-Lotto - Nick Young
8. NBDL - Marcin Gortat
9. Southpaw - Mike Conley
10. Toothpick - Brandon Jennings
11. First/Last - Bismack Biyombo
12. Bust - Jason Thompson

Fred Williamson
1. All-star - Al Horford
2. Homegrown - Chris Paul
3. West Coast - Andrew Bogut
4. Sharpshooter - Stephen Jackson
5. Fooled the Scouts - Mo Williams
6. 6th Man - Ryan Anderson
7. Non-Lotto - Wilson Chandler
8. NBDL - Ramon Sessions
9. Southpaw - James Harden
10. Toothpick - Tayshaun Prince
11. First/Last - James Johnson
12. Bust - Spencer Hawes

Takuya Kimora
1. All-star - Pau Gasol
2. Homegrown - Shane Battier
3. West Coast - Chauncey Billups
4. Sharpshooter - Ben Gordon
5. Fooled the Scouts - Mehmet Okur
6. 6th Man - Evan Turner
7. Non-Lotto - Carl Landry
8. NBDL - Anthony Morrow
9. Southpaw - Josh Smith
10. Toothpick - Kevin Durant
11. First/Last - Jarrett Jack
12. Bust - Marcus Camby

Ian
1. All-star - Lebron James
2. Homegrown - Grant Hill
3. West Coast - Jason Kidd
4. Sharpshooter - Ray Allen
5. Fooled the Scouts - Anderson Varejao
6. 6th Man - Jerryd Bayless
7. Non-Lotto - Marcus Thornton
8. NBDL - Andray Blatche
9. Southpaw - Chris Bosh
10. Toothpick - Rip Hamilton
11. First/Last - Desagana Diop
12. Bust - Metta World Peace

Sachmo
1. All-star - Tony Parker
2. Homegrown - Tim Duncan
3. West Coast - Andre Iguodala
4. Sharpshooter - Kobe Bryant
5. Fooled the Scouts - Rashard Lewis
6. 6th Man - Jarred Dudley
7. Non-Lotto - Jrue Holiday
8. NBDL - Kelenna Azubuike
9. Southpaw - Troy Murphy
10. Toothpick - Kevin Garnett
11. First/Last - Brandon Bass
12. Bust - Sammy Dalembert

Captaincrunk
1. All-star - Dwight Howard
2. Homegrown - Ty Lawson
3. West Coast - Robin Lopez
4. Sharpshooter - Danillo Gallinari
5. Fooled the Scouts - Monta Ellis
6. 6th Man - Ronnie Brewer
7. Non-Lotto - JJ Hickson
8. NBDL - Shannon Brown
9. Southpaw - Manu Ginobili
10. Toothpick - Corey Brewer
11. First/Last - Markief Morris
12. Bust - Greg Oden

Countryboi
1. All-star - Derrick Rose
2. Homegrown - Carlos Boozer
3. West Coast - Luc Mbah A Moute
4. Sharpshooter - Vince Carter
5. Fooled the Scouts - Raja Bell
6. 6th Man - Brendan haywood
7. Non-Lotto - Nicholas Batum
8. NBDL - Aaron Brooks
9. Southpaw - Michael Beasley
10. Toothpick - Earl Boykins
11. First/Last - Joe Johnson
12. Bust - Kendrick Perkins

Fatlever
1. All-star - Andrei Kirilenko
2. Homegrown - Kevin Martin
3. West Coast - Channing Frye
4. Sharpshooter - Steve Nash
5. Fooled the Scouts - Juan Carlos Navarro
6. 6th Man - Paul George
7. Non-Lotto - Rodney Stuckey
8. NBDL - Chuck Hayes
9. Southpaw - Zach Randolph
10. Toothpick - Jamal Crawford
11. First/Last - Mike Miller
12. Bust - Serge Ibaka

Stun704
1. All-star - Chris Kaman
2. Homegrown - John Wall
3. West Coast - Brandon Roy
4. Sharpshooter - Danny Granger
5. Fooled the Scouts - Trevor Ariza
6. 6th Man - Tyrus Thomas
7. Non-Lotto - Roy Hibbert
8. NBDL - Terrence Williams
9. Southpaw - David Lee
10. Toothpick - Roddy Beaubois
11. First/Last - Aaron Afflalo
12. Bust - Kwame Brown

Kemba2Hendo
1. All-star - Dwayne Wade
2. Homegrown - Raymond Felton
3. West Coast - Richard Jefferson
4. Sharpshooter - Jason Richardson
5. Fooled the Scouts - Luis Scola
6. 6th Man - Marresse Speights
7. Non-Lotto - Dejuan Blair
8. NBDL - Matt Barnes
9. Southpaw - Andris Biedrins
10. Toothpick - Darren Collison
11. First/Last - Paul Pierce
12. Bust - Shaq Oneal

BigSlam
1. All-star - Deron Williams
2. Homegrown - Luol Deng
3. West Coast - Kevin Love
4. Sharpshooter - Wes Matthews
5. Fooled the Scouts - Ronny Turiaf
6. 6th Man - JR Smith
7. Non-Lotto - DeAndre Jordan
8. NBDL - Martell Webster
9. Southpaw - Lamar Odom
10. Toothpick - Anthony Randolph
11. First/Last - Ricky Rubio
12. Bust - Shaun Livingston

JMAC
1. All-star - Carmelo Anthony
2. Homegrown - Steph Curry
3. West Coast - Brook Lopez
4. Sharpshooter - Rudy Fernandez
5. Fooled the Scouts - Lou Williams
6. 6th Man - Charlie Villanueva
7. Non-Lotto - Javale Mcgee
8. NBDL - JJ Barea
9. Southpaw - Thad Young
10. Toothpick - Hedo Turkoglu
11. First/Last - Demar Derozan
12. Bust - Taj Gibson

Paydro
1. All-star - Blake Griffin
2. Homegrown - Marvin Williams
3. West Coast - Russell Westbrook
4. Sharpshooter - Baron Davis
5. Fooled the Scouts - Paul Milsap
6. 6th Man - Tiago Splitter
7. Non-Lotto - George Hill
8. NBDL - Chris Andersen
9. Southpaw - Greg Monroe
10. Toothpick - Rudy Gay
11. First/Last - Kyle Korver
12. Bust - Tony Allen

Jaruff
1. All-star - Amare Stoudemire
2. Homegrown - Elton Brand
3. West Coast - OJ Mayo
4. Sharpshooter - Gilbert Arenas
5. Fooled the Scouts - Amir Johnson
6. 6th Man - Reggie Williams
7. Non-Lotto - Marc Gasol
8. NBDL - Dorell Wright
9. Southpaw - Darko Milicic
10. Toothpick - Allen Iverson
11. First/Last - Rajon Rondo
12. Bust - Gerald Henderson

Oh come on, last pick and now second-to-last.

Damn, I thought you said I was in

JMAC3 wrote:Damn, I thought you said I was in

crap. you were in. thats my mistake JMAC. i am sorry about that. i forgot to go back and add your name.

let me figure out a solution so that you are in.

fatlever wrote:

JMAC3 wrote:Damn, I thought you said I was in

crap. you were in. that my mistake JMAC. i am sorry about that. i forgot to go back and add your name.

let me figure out a solution so that you are in.

OK using the random number generator your number was 11. i will give the tie to the existing person at 11 and slot you in at 12 and move 13 and 14 down one spot. sorry everyone. this is what happens when you try to multitask at work.

Didn't manage to post in time in the previous thread - yeah I'm alright with being a co-owner of my team with Doc. Plus it seems like we both aren't that often online during the summer, so we could cover for each other. Doc - we need to decide how we'll reach one another. You have disabled PMs. Are you on skype?

Paydro70 wrote:Oh come on, last pick and now second-to-last.

Looks like we swapped positions from last year.

LamarMatic7 wrote:Didn't manage to post in time in the previous thread - yeah I'm alright with being a co-owner of my team with Doc. Plus it seems like we both aren't that often online during the summer, so we could cover for each other. Doc - we need to decide how we'll reach one another. You have disabled PMs. Are you on skype?

Aren't all PMS aside from mods to users (and then users can respond) disabled?

Also, checking in. When do we start?

EDIT: Duh, tomorrow. Okay.

LamarMatic7 wrote:Didn't manage to post in time in the previous thread - yeah I'm alright with being a co-owner of my team with Doc. Plus it seems like we both aren't that often online during the summer, so we could cover for each other. Doc - we need to decide how we'll reach one another. You have disabled PMs. Are you on skype?

I send my email address to fat, he should forward it to you. I will only try to bring up some non-obvious hidden gems, let most of decision making on you and help picking within limit once we will have our draft board set. I am not keen on checking college basketball pedigree at least at this momment.

Oh and I already did my part as a lucky charm for our team - last time I was in, I picked first too, lol

fatlever wrote:- You must tell which category your selection is for at the time of the selection.

I read it as you can later move into another fitting category otherwise I would object this rule

Trading picks not allowed?

clock starts tomorrow at 8AM EST, officially, but if lamar/doc want to go ahead, they are free to get started early. but i wont start counting down on people until tomorrow at 8am.

Well I hoped it will start later as we are the only shared team nad happened to be first on clock, but we'll see.

Ok, I'm now convinced the Toothpick category needs some reshaping. I have hard time to find enough players for that category. I mean, I am finding player like 6'4'' below 190 but they should actually be below 170 - the saem as if they were 4 inches shorter. The steps make it very difficult to find dsomeone who qualifies, you basically need to find thin players measuring 6'9", 6'5'' or 6'0'' or just inch higher all others are done. For example Terry, as quite typical case, is 6'2'' and 176 not slender enough.

I've found some, the usual suspects but even they barely make it.

I have no clue where to find who is actualyl left-handed but that could be just me being ignorant.

doc.end wrote:I have no clue where to find who is actualyl left-handed but that could be just me being ignorant.

google "left handed NBA players". you will find it. there is at least 25 that i counted, maybe a few more if you include rookies.

doc.end wrote:Ok, I'm now convinced the Toothpick category needs some reshaping. I have hard time to find enough players for that category. I mean, I am finding player like 6'4'' below 190 but they should actually be below 170 - the saem as if they were 4 inches shorter. The steps make it very difficult to find dsomeone who qualifies, you basically need to find thin players measuring 6'9", 6'5'' or 6'0'' or just inch higher all others are done. For example Terry, as quite typical case, is 6'2'' and 176 not slender enough.

I've found some, the usual suspects but even they barely make it.

i have found 35 so far for this category. there are plenty.

guys 6'9" and over have to be 220 or less
guys 6'5" to 6'8" have to be 190 or less
guys 6'0" to 6'4" have to be 170 or less

sorry if my wording was confusing.

bball-ref has height and weight of each player listed on the roster page of each team. so you really only need to look at 30 pages to find everyone who is eligible. like i said, i went through all 30 pages today and found at least 35 players.

some examples - garrett temple is 6'6" but weighs less than 190, sebastian telfair is 6'0" but weight 165, alexis ajinca is 7'0" but weighs 220. all are eligible for "toothpick" category.

i changed wording on toothpick so it should make more sense now. also changed pac-10 to pac-12. i forget they added 2 teams.

So is the strategy to take BPA and find a category for them, then?