T2 Vs DJW = Playing Time?

Post #1 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 3:04 pm

I really don't think that T2 is going to be digging the situation.

Sideline reporter Stephanie Ready asked Silas if he anticipated a "problem'' figuring out how to keep using White once Thomas returns from an ankle sprain. Silas made it clear that if there would be a problem, it wasn't Silas'.

"He's going to play now,'' Silas said of White, who scored a career-high 21 points on 10-of-12 shooting in Miami. "Tyrus is going to have to show that he can play better.

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_n ... homas.html

So, where do you stand? Who should be getting the burn? Is it all going to work out?

Battery · Post #2 » by **Battery** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 3:24 pm

"Tyrus is going to have to show that he can play better."

BigSlam wrote:I really don't think that T2 is going to be digging the situation.

So what. Play better.

mrknowitall215 · Post #3 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 3:58 pm

I think Tyrus should get the starting nod and the opportunity to play more minutes, (1) to increase his trade value, (2) he's a better defender, and (3) he's going to get into foul trouble anyway.

Post #4 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 4:36 pm

Battery wrote:"Tyrus is going to have to show that he can play better."

BigSlam wrote:I really don't think that T2 is going to be digging the situation.

So what. Play better.

I agree, I'm just not sure how he will react.

And I would say "so what, stay healthy" before "so what, play better" when talking about T2.

Post #5 » by **fatlever** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 5:11 pm

as long as biz still gets 15 minutes a night, i dont care about white and thomas. they are both lacking starter quality. white cant play defense and thomas cant stay on the court.

Jaruff · Post #6 » by **Jaruff** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 5:30 pm

Battery wrote:"Tyrus is going to have to show that he can play better."

BigSlam wrote:I really don't think that T2 is going to be digging the situation.

So what. Play better.

#workharder

That's Tyrus' motto.

DJ White should get the burn; he's been playing well this year. We should look to trade Tyrus now that it's been determined (well I'm assuming it has been from the lineups we've played) that Bizzy will be a PF going forward.

SWedd523 · Post #7 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 5:47 pm

Jaruff wrote:
Battery wrote:"Tyrus is going to have to show that he can play better."

BigSlam wrote:I really don't think that T2 is going to be digging the situation.

So what. Play better.

#workharder

Beat me to it.

White has earned his PT going up against Bogut, Bosh x2, and Dwight in the first 4 games of the season and will be getting minutes as long as he continues to score the ball. If Tyrus is going to be a crybaby about it then maybe he shouldn't have sat out a week with a SPRAINED ankle. #whosfault

bobcats3wallace · Post #8 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 5:49 pm

I would rather see Thomas out there on the floor. I just think it fits better. Dj White is much more effective, outside of last night, coming in off the bench for 20-25 a night. Thomas ont he other hand would provide better defense and that shot blocking presence we desperatly need next to Diaw. Biz can provide it off the bench, but we have NOTHING in our starting unit. Plus coming into the season MJ said he really wanted to see what Thomas could do this year. We still really don't know if he is a starter or not. I know most have doubts, but perhaps some good coaching could clean his game up and lead him to be more effective. We just won't know until he actually gets the chance to start.

My guess is that the first couple games DJWhite will start and see his minutes gradually go down. Barring any crazy performances from him, like last night, I expet Thomas to be back i there within 4-5 games. My biggest thing is that you still find minutes for Biz. He has progressed so nicely over just a couple games, got to keep getting him in there. If he keeps progressing like this, by the end of the season he is going to be a VERY nice player. Keep giving him 15-20 minutes (as long as he doesn't foul out) and I'm fine. Would prefer Thomas starting, but as long as our future (Biz) doesn't see his minutes go to crap, then I can live with whatever Silas does in the starting lineup.

Stun704 · Post #9 » by **Stun704** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 6:04 pm

DJ white is a SF in a PF's body, who cares how many points he puts up if he can't defend his man/ defend the rim or rebound? if boris diaw is our center then TT should be the starting PF just for a fit perspective.

Battery · Post #10 » by **Battery** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 6:27 pm

Stun704 wrote:DJ white is a SF in a PF's body, who cares how many points he puts up if he can't defend his man/ defend the rim or rebound? if boris diaw is our center then TT should be the starting PF just for a fit perspective.

I've actually grown to appreciate DJ White's game. Now should he be a starter? No because he's ideally suited for coming off the bench, but I wouldn't be upset if he replaced Maggette in the starting lineup. But both Tyrus and Maggette will at some point be injured at the same time so we will see White in the starting lineup for good chunks of this season.

e4Nf6 · Post #11 » by **e4Nf6** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 6:46 pm

TT is just a little bit better player IMO. Offense is a wash, maybe DJW is slightly better, but on defense TT is significantly better. Also, Chemistry wise, if Diaw is the starting center than we need TT in to have somebody that can protect the rim and rebound. I'm ok with the idea of playing DJW at SF if we are playing a team without a great scoring SF. (Don't make him guard Lebron or Durant)

Marvel · Post #12 » by **Marvel** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 7:31 pm

Yeah, offensively they're both producing at a similar rate. Defensively, TT has the advantage. IQ and being able to stay on the court is where TT struggles. I don't know, even if TT was to start he'd be on the bench with 2 fouls in the first quarter anyway.

Who cares, as long as TT's PT don't mess with Smacks minutes i'm fine with it. But maybe with DJ White playing so well gives TT the fire up his a$s he needs to #playharder #playsmarter

Jaruff · Post #13 » by **Jaruff** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 7:32 pm

Battery wrote:
Stun704 wrote:DJ white is a SF in a PF's body, who cares how many points he puts up if he can't defend his man/ defend the rim or rebound? if boris diaw is our center then TT should be the starting PF just for a fit perspective.

I've actually grown to appreciate DJ White's game. Now should he be a starter? No because he's ideally suited for coming off the bench, but I wouldn't be upset if he replaced Maggette in the starting lineup. But both Tyrus and Maggette will at some point be injured at the same time so we will see White in the starting lineup for good chunks of this season.

He's a Carl Landry type player; exactly what we need in a role player. Also seems like a well grounded guy with no problems; unlike headcase Tyrus.

captaincrunk · Post #14 » by **captaincrunk** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 7:56 pm

Stun704 wrote:DJ white is a SF in a PF's body, who cares how many points he puts up if he can't defend his man/ defend the rim or rebound? if boris diaw is our center then TT should be the starting PF just for a fit perspective.

No, DJ White is a faceup C in a PFs body. Like Carlos Boozer. TT is 6'10" Gerald Wallace lacking several intangibles and without the defensive instinct that kept Gerald on the court. I feel like Tyrus would be a better fit to guard a SF than White would be.

Jaruff wrote:
Battery wrote:I've actually grown to appreciate DJ White's game. Now should he be a starter? No because he's ideally suited for coming off the bench, but I wouldn't be upset if he replaced Maggette in the starting lineup. But both Tyrus and Maggette will at some point be injured at the same time so we will see White in the starting lineup for good chunks of this season.

He's a Carl Landry type player; exactly what we need in a role player. Also seems like a well grounded guy with no problems; unlike headcase Tyrus.

I feel like using headcase is unfair with Tyrus. He's not a headcase, he's just thickheaded. Headcases bring guns to games, punch fans, spit on people, pants guys while they're shooting, etc.

Elden Payton · Post #15 » by **Elden Payton** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 11:02 am

I love it how some of us think DJ White's D sucks when in our first four games he's had to defend(at times) Bogut,Bosh,Howard & Bosh again.

Honestly DJW can be signed long term for less than half of what TT's on.

I'm glad Silas is willing to rock the boat in regards to this, TT needs to step up & earn his PT.

As everyone else said if it doesn't affect Biz then I'm down for it.

LamarMatic7 · Post #16 » by **LamarMatic7** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 1:23 pm

Battery wrote:"Tyrus is going to have to show that he can play better."

I like hearing this. Tyrus really should prove that he is better than DJ White. There is no doubt that he has more potential, however it's been a while since he's given us a really good performance. The times of us hoping that he could have a large role on this team are long gone. I'd love to see him prove us wrong.

Bassman · Post #17 » by **Bassman** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 2:42 pm

Indeed, DJ White is almost the ideal player coming off the bench. Not a great defender, but he can score and board enough to hold the fort. Tyrus hasn't proven anything, and he should earn his minutes back. Still, I believe we are facing a difficult situation at the 4. Bismack and Tyrus are very incomplete players, and I fear neither will become the answer. TT has the most potential, as he can hit a jump shot on occasion while having flashes of a post up game to go with his defense, but he has never put it all together. At this late relatively late date in his development, I don't see it happening. He might be OK, and occasionally good, but Tyrus is a not a quality starter in this league.

Bismack worries me. Yes he is just getting started...yes he is raw...and yes he does some things (blocking shots) that make you go "WOW". But...his lack of offensive skills are so woeful, I'm not sure we can ever expect him to be reliable as a starter at the 4. If he were a true center, we'd be in better shape for the future. But, the team is working him at the 4 for a reason...he's too small to play the 5.

My point of bringing this up here is that the playing time answer between T2 and DJW must be tempered within the context of the broader dilemma. Since this team is all about the future, I feel Silas is trying to push Tyrus to climb over the barriers he has seemingly created for himself. HopefullyTyrus breaks through instead of retreating into his limbo-world again. Time is running out for that to ever happen.

JMAC3 · Post #18 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 3:55 pm

Bassman wrote:My point of bringing this up here is that the playing time answer between T2 and DJW must be tempered within the context of the broader dilemma. Since this team is all about the future, I feel Silas is trying to push Tyrus to climb over the barriers he has seemingly created for himself. HopefullyTyrus breaks through instead of retreating into his limbo-world again. Time is running out for that to ever happen.

Wow you been reading the dictionary :lol:

calm it down with this complex language I feel like I am in college.

penquin11 · Post #19 » by **penquin11** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 4:03 pm

DJWhite has been great for us, hell I say that he starts over T2, the only downside to that is that T2's trade value is going to drop like a rock

Stun704 · Post #20 » by **Stun704** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 6:14 pm

captaincrunk wrote:
Stun704 wrote:DJ white is a SF in a PF's body, who cares how many points he puts up if he can't defend his man/ defend the rim or rebound? if boris diaw is our center then TT should be the starting PF just for a fit perspective.

No, DJ White is a faceup C in a PFs body. Like Carlos Boozer. TT is 6'10" Gerald Wallace lacking several intangibles and without the defensive instinct that kept Gerald on the court. I feel like Tyrus would be a better fit to guard a SF than White would be.

I didn't mean that literally, to quote charles barkley, what do you call a PF that can score 20 points but doesn't defend or rebound... a SF