The Andre Drummond Thread (workout on 22nd)

[fatlever]

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College: Connecticut
NBA Position: Center

Draft Express Profile:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/And ... mond-5772/

NBADraft Profile:
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/andre-drummond

Combine Results: TBA

[BRIGGS]

Ive seen all of Drummonds game --my take


He has all the skills that you want--but they are all raw.
His foul shot is the worst Ive ever seen but his jumpshot is not bad.--So there is common ground to improve.

He has only one post up move--the spin dribble.

He runs the floor like a deer.

He can handle the ball well for a big guy.

He has good hands.

He does not use his physicality like he should--no way he should walk out of many games without 10+ rebounds--yet he did.

He's a good defensive presence
-not great but good. Tends to block shots with his weak hand. Has potential to be a 2+ block guy in the NBA.

I think Andre would do well to start in an offense that has a faster tempo where he can use his speed---he will work hard

the first time I saw Andre this year at Uconns midnight madness--I thought this guy showed skills that would make him as easy number 1 pick. Well it didnt but on the other hand--to see what kind of frak skills he has--you dont forget that. Hes a work in progress--if he works hard--he'll be a fringe all star NBA C in 4-5 years.

[HornetJail]

I think his ceiling is what Greg Oden was supposed to be. Whether he'll reach that ceiling is a different story. I'm all for trading down for multiple picks, but if we hold on to #2, I personally wouldn't be able to pass him up.

[debo23]

[Eoghan]

I can't really remember the last time I saw someone with his size move like he does. If we pass on him, that tells me that our FO and coaching staff isn't capable of developing players b/c there is no way you pass on a guy like this unless you don't think you can coach him up.

[countryboi]

I think his floor is more McGee than Jordan....his face up game should be killer just based off his ability to dribble well for his size and and his lateral quickness. He is just fast than most players his size..everyone wants to focus on the negative but this kid is mold of super athletic clay

[MPM]

“The most gifted player in the draft”

“a great athlete”

“good floor vision and passes extremely well”

“devastating shot blocker with superb leaping ability, timing, and reach”

“NBA-ready physique”

“Could develop into a potential franchise player if he works hard on his game”

“Has yet to display a burning competitiveness”

Scouting report on Kwame Brown in 2001.

EDIT: sorry, should have included link: http://www.foulshots.com/Analysis/2001n ... outing.htm

[Eoghan]

“The most gifted player in the draft”

“a great athlete”

“good floor vision and passes extremely well”

“devastating shot blocker with superb leaping ability, timing, and reach”

“NBA-ready physique”

“Could develop into a potential franchise player if he works hard on his game”

“Has yet to display a burning competitiveness”

Scouting report on Kwame Brown in 2001.

Well that's a pretty terrible scouting report, isn't it? Half of those things weren't true at all.

I honestly think his floor is Chris Bosh.

[JMAC3]

“The most gifted player in the draft”

“a great athlete”

“good floor vision and passes extremely well”

“devastating shot blocker with superb leaping ability, timing, and reach”

“NBA-ready physique”

“Could develop into a potential franchise player if he works hard on his game”

“Has yet to display a burning competitiveness”

Scouting report on Kwame Brown in 2001.

Well that's a pretty terrible scouting report, isn't it? Half of those things weren't true at all.

I honestly think his floor is Chris Bosh.

How is his floor Chris Bosh? Bosh is one of the most skilled big men in the league that is the opposite of Drummond. I realize you like him a lot, but you are becoming so blind in your assessments. I think Andre Drummonds mom has taken over your account with all this unwavering love you show him...

[e4Nf6]

Brown isn't (and wasn't) a great athlete at all, he's big and strong but his vertical is about 10 inches and he isn't especially quick by NBA standards either. Not comparable to Drummond at all.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

He has the body & potential skills ... but not the head. You can't teach desire.

[captaincrunk]

He has the body & potential skills ... but not the head. You can't teach desire.

really? What do you think desire is? What do you really think it is? I'll give you a hint, there's no magic or "instinct" involved. Babies don't have some innate desire for greatness, they wanna drink some milk. Desire is a word that requires an object. An object of desire, if you will. If you're going to say that the environment doesn't affect one's desires, then you're going to say a whole lot of nonsense...

[Rich4114]

He has the body & potential skills ... but not the head. You can't teach desire.

really? What do you think desire is? What do you really think it is? I'll give you a hint, there's no magic or "instinct" involved. Babies don't have some innate desire for greatness, they wanna drink some milk. Desire is a word that requires an object. An object of desire, if you will. If you're going to say that the environment doesn't affect one's desires, then you're going to say a whole lot of nonsense...

I wonder if the millions of dollars he can make in salary and endorsement will be enough desire

[HasheemThabeet]

Well that's a pretty terrible scouting report, isn't it? Half of those things weren't true at all.

I honestly think his floor is Chris Bosh.

well they were all true in high school until he got exposed at a higher level of competition like some other guy

[Walt Cronkite]

I would try to get excited about this pick if we took Drummond. Like BroDave wrote, this would definitely indicate our FO thinks we have a system in place to develop skills, although I'm skeptical.

[Kabookalu]

“The most gifted player in the draft”

“a great athlete”

“good floor vision and passes extremely well”

“devastating shot blocker with superb leaping ability, timing, and reach”

“NBA-ready physique”

“Could develop into a potential franchise player if he works hard on his game”

“Has yet to display a burning competitiveness”

Scouting report on Kwame Brown in 2001.

EDIT: sorry, should have included link: http://www.foulshots.com/Analysis/2001n ... outing.htm

The problem with Kwame Brown, other than his small hands, was not his physical tools or skills. His mentality was in absolute shambles. Teammates throughout his entire career have said that he looked like Karl Malone during practices. Of course it was a different story during games. That doesn't mean anything if he couldn't translate it onto the court, but it shows that he could have been better than what he has mustered in his career.

The Calipher group, who are heavily involved in the draft and scout out the "mental" aspect of players, said there was one particular player that they said could have been a great player, but he was a fragile and sensitive personality. You needed to be tender and caring with him, they said, and in his first game as a rookie he makes one mistake and the coach goes Bob Knight over him. The player was never the same again. They didn't name this player but I pretty much narrowed it down to either Darko Milicic or Kwame Brown. I was leaning towards this being Darko Milicic, but after seeing Doug Collins, Kwame's rookie coach, and how strict he is to make the most out of every single possession, I think it's Kwame.

How this pertains to Drummond, Kwame wasn't a developed personality and I don't think Drummond is either. I may sound like I'm reaching here but when people see Drummond being lost on the court as a basketball player, I see him more being lost as a person. He's displayed pretty good basketball IQ in high school and it suddenly seemed to go away in college. What this tells me is that he's fighting another battle from within in addition to the one on the court. Here's a kid that was so physically gifted his entire basketball career that he's never faced adversity before. He can't appreciate his own physical gifts and that is something that will work against you when faced against high competition, and it did.

Normally I say you have to stay away from these kinds of prospects. Their fragility makes their development so unpredictable. However Drummond is one of the most overwhelming big man prospects I've ever seen in my life (Davis more so). And I have confidence in the Bobcats being able to develop him because Rich Cho has given a priority to developing his young guns, in particular his big men. And I believe Biyombo could play a huge factor in Drummond's development too whose positive, outgoing, yet stern view on life could counter Drummond's sensitivity and help him mature.

The tragedy with Kwame Brown is that he had no one to lean onto. The best basketball player in the history of the game scolded him repeatedly which would do nothing but hurt an undeveloped mind; couple that with a strict coach that will go **** on you with a single mistake and the kid would be pretty much done. Drummond went to a UCONN program fresh off of a championship season. They had their goals set high so his development was not in their priority. Rich Cho has given priority to rebuilding and they have some personalities that could be constructive to his development. The big piece is finding a suitable coach who will be willing to get the young guy on the right track.

[captaincrunk]

He has the body & potential skills ... but not the head. You can't teach desire.

really? What do you think desire is? What do you really think it is? I'll give you a hint, there's no magic or "instinct" involved. Babies don't have some innate desire for greatness, they wanna drink some milk. Desire is a word that requires an object. An object of desire, if you will. If you're going to say that the environment doesn't affect one's desires, then you're going to say a whole lot of nonsense...

I wonder if the millions of dollars he can make in salary and endorsement will be enough desire

Yup.

On the nature of desire, it still needs to be instilled in you. MJ's father always seemed to push him, for example. Remember the father's day game? Great coaches can instill drive. Some players have something more than desire though. Guys like Kobe are extremely self motivated, it comes from within. You'd rarely ever hear Kobe say "so and so motivated me to blah blah blah" because he's never really been unmotivated.

But that sort of thing is pretty rare anyway. The most successful people in the world have it. Entrepreneurs, stuff like that. But even then, most of them are taught to be that way. It doesn't just appear.

[James Gatz]

I see the upside of Drummond but a back court of he and Biz worries me. It's difficult to develop one big let alone two.

[Kabookalu]

I see the upside of Drummond but a back court of he and Biz worries me. It's difficult to develop one big let alone two.

The thing with that is that Drummond actually has a pretty good perimeter game. He was drawing comparisons to Amare way before he was with Kwame Brown. Is it good enough at the NBA level? Not yet, but he at least has a base to work with. His perimeter game is a lot more further developed than his post game actually. I don't think he's doing his magnificent body justice by being a perimeter player, but he could develop both an inside and outside game.

[irving2eyenga]

I think you guys need to go for the home run and draft Drummond.