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Humble Yourself - The Ben Gordon Thread
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:08 am
by bobcats3wallace
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
Detroit has traded Ben Gordon and a protected future first-round pick to Charlotte for Corey Maggette, league sources tell Y! Sports.
Figured I would go ahead and start this. Mods please edit/remove if you feel necessary.
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:09 am
by vorbis
assets, assets, assets
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:10 am
by captaincrunk
How bad is Gordon's contract?
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:10 am
by HornetJail
Here's hoping "Future first round pick" means Top 5 protected next year.
We just traded for an undersized combo guard with a sh*tty contract.
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:11 am
by vorbis
captaincrunk wrote:How bad is Gordon's contract?
2 seasons left. i think it's something like 10-12M per
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:12 am
by bobcats3wallace
I understand getting the pick is an asset, however why do this trade now? Why basically show our cards before the draft? It's a future pick, not a current pick. Now were basically saying Barnes is our guy, or at least it appears that way. Why not wait until Friday to do this kind of move? Makes me think we may see more to come.
Gordon is owed 12.4 million this upcoming year and has a player option for 13.2 million the following year. Not a TERRIBLE deal (in terms of years), but certainly more than he is worth. Also he comes in at SG which we already have Hendo at. If the first was for this draft it all would make much more sense, but that doesn't appear to be true.
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:12 am
by thruthefire
Gordon has two years left on his deal. Hopefully he can get back to being the Chicago BG...
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:12 am
by captaincrunk
vorbis wrote:captaincrunk wrote:How bad is Gordon's contract?
2 seasons left. i think it's something like 10-12M per
2 as in this coming one and the one after? That is acceptable I think, considering the gains.
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:15 am
by bobcats3wallace
Gordon averaged 12.5 ppg, 2.4 apg, 2.3 rpg and shot 42% from 3 last season in 27 mpg.
This was a guy I wanted us to sign back when he left the bulls, but I really question how he fits the Bobcats right now. With a team that has Kemba and Hendo, how does Gordon figure to fit in here? Now we have a MASSIVE hole at SF. All that is left their is DBrown and he is a free agent...unless they view Hendo as a SF?
Dunlap did get his 3 point shooting he wanted though.
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:16 am
by vorbis
bobcats3wallace wrote:I understand getting the pick is an asset, however why do this trade now? Why basically show our cards before the draft? It's a future pick, not a current pick. Now were basically saying Barnes is our guy, or at least it appears that way. Why not wait until Friday to do this kind of move? Makes me think we may see more to come.
Gordon is owed 12.4 million this upcoming year and has a player option for 13.2 million the following year. Not a TERRIBLE deal (in terms of years), but certainly more than he is worth. Also he comes in at SG which we already have Hendo at. If the first was for this draft it all would make much more sense, but that doesn't appear to be true.
i think the bobcats basically traded one season of cap space (a season when they probably won't be making a title run) for a protected 1st round pick. using something of value that they have (cap space) to get things they don't have (a bucketload of picks to use to move around at the top of the draft in future seasons).
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:16 am
by TheKingofSting
We are def drafting Barnes.
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:17 am
by Kabookalu
One thing to consider, every team has to meet a minimum team payroll and the Bobcats were very well under it, though I don't know the exact calculations. Last year it was around $50 million and as it stood before the trade the Bobcats had 11 players under contract at a projected payroll of $43 million, assuming Diop and Caroll pick up their options, and they would be crazy not to. In order to meet the minimum payroll count they would have needed to overpay and commit to a salary long term. Ben Gordon's contract sucks but at least he provides one thing, and that's great 3 point shooting. And he'll probably be coming off the bench. At the same time you get rid of Maggette and don't commit to a player you didn't want to just to meet that minimum payroll.
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:17 am
by bobcats3wallace
Gordon's contract is acceptable, I agree. It's more than he is worth, but he has next year (which we had Maggette anyway) and then a player option the following year. I wish we could had gotten the Pistons pick THIS year.
Does this mean Hendo could be on the move? Anybody else feel there is another move coming?
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:17 am
by Diop
good use of an expiring to get a pick. I guess Gordon will play the 6th man role?
We got some 3pt shooting at least.
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:18 am
by BigSlam
captaincrunk wrote:vorbis wrote:captaincrunk wrote:How bad is Gordon's contract?
2 seasons left. i think it's something like 10-12M per
2 as in this coming one and the one after? That is acceptable I think, considering the gains.
Yes, the next season coming and the one after.
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages ... istons.jsp
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:18 am
by HornetJail
Either that or we are trying to get a FA small forward (Batum and Wallace come to mind). I'm thinking this was for the pick though. I can't see us keeping both Kemba and Gordon.
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:18 am
by captaincrunk
Kemba2Hendo wrote:We are def drafting Barnes.
*shoots self*
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:18 am
by Jaruff
****. Yes. Woooooooooooo. Go Cho.
I loved the Chicago Ben Gordon. Going to Detroit was a huge mistake for him.
captaincrunk wrote:How bad is Gordon's contract?
12.4 and 13.2 player option. Not bad considering it's not going to make a dent in our long-term goals.
Kemba2Hendo wrote:We are def drafting Barnes.
Not necessarily Barnes but a SF. Trade or draft, we're getting someone.
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:18 am
by RUN_DMSKI
we do have a massive hole at SF…Which prospects at the top of the draft play SF? MKG and Barnes…
Re: Bobcats acquire Ben Gordon/Future First
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:19 am
by HornetJail
captaincrunk wrote:Kemba2Hendo wrote:We are def drafting Barnes.
*shoots self*