Biz Vs Noel

Post #2 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:08 pm

Biz.

I don't trust Noel.

doc.end · Post #3 » by **doc.end** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:14 pm

This is borderline offending.

HornetJail · Post #4 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:18 pm

That knee bothers me too much. Biz it is.

mrknowitall215 · Post #5 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:36 pm

Noel is the better player, easily. There's nothing that Biyombo can do better than Noel, except maybe stay healthy

countryboi · Post #6 » by **countryboi** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:40 pm

Noel is a better player but Biz would beast him because he is much stronger right now

Eoghan · Post #7 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:03 pm

Noel is a better overall player right now under two assumptions: 1) he returns to pre-injury college form and 2) Biz doesn't make a large jump in progress from his 2nd year.

NataFresh · Post #8 » by **NataFresh** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:19 pm

BigSlam wrote:Biz.

I don't trust Noel.

Why is it exactly that you don't trust Noel?

Its The Milk · Post #9 » by **Its The Milk** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:19 pm

Gotta be Biz. He is much stronger/bigger bodied than Noel. I believe he has better instincts when it comes to blocking the ball. Noel probably has the advantage in terms of hands but they are both pretty bad in that category. Biz's offensive game has been steadily improving (hook shots from the post and surprisingly soft touch on 10-15 ft jumpers) and you just can't help but love that work ethic and heart. No offense to Noel but I feel Biz is the superior player/prospect.

KembaWalker · Post #10 » by **KembaWalker** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:20 pm

the people who say Noel are the ones who are too impatient to wait for to develop. They don't realize they will likely feel the same way in 2 years about Noel as they do about Biz now and be trying to dump him.

I'll take Biz and his freakish body with great health genes whos entourage is his brothers he picks up from school over glass Noel and his thug posse

Red Larrivee · Post #11 » by **Red Larrivee** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:32 pm

I honestly don't think Biz does anything better than Noel, but he has a longer wingspan. Noel's knee won'tl be a problem, he's 19 years old. Torn ACL's are pretty common these days and there will be more people coming back from them over the years.

Noel is more athletic, more explosive, a better finisher, better feel for the game, quicker in the open floor, and he's a legit 7-footer. I'd bet my money on him over Biz, who statistically has been really poor in his first two seasons.

catch20two · Post #12 » by **catch20two** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:44 pm

I can't believe this poll is this close and was tilted in Biz's favor before I voted. Noel is better than Biz in every facet in the game of basketball, even offense. Noel is considered the top prospect in this draft class and would've been consensus #1 if he were healthy. If Biz was a #1 pick, he would've been considered the ultimate bust. Stop the homerism.

KembaWalker · Post #13 » by **KembaWalker** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:52 pm

Noel is not a better rim protector than Biyombo. I doubt he's a better rebounder. Biz has more potential because his frame can clearly hold 20-30 pounds more than Noel with the same explosiveness and without the fear of injury. give the kid a chance to develop under a real teacher, not Rob Werdann whoever the hell that is

doc.end · Post #14 » by **doc.end** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:58 pm

Half of this board ... SMH... it is about to use the mod powers to deal with the faithless, Slam

Red Larrivee · Post #15 » by **Red Larrivee** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:25 pm

KembaWalker wrote:Noel is not a better rim protector than Biyombo. I doubt he's a better rebounder. Biz has more potential because his frame can clearly hold 20-30 pounds more than Noel with the same explosiveness and without the fear of injury. give the kid a chance to develop under a real teacher, not Rob Werdann whoever the hell that is

Biyombo averaged 9.6 rebounds per 36 last season, and has 12 double doubles in 143 career games. That's nowhere near good, or acceptable.

For comparison, Noel had 9 double doubles in 24 games as a collegiant. I know it's against difference competition, but still. I don't have per 36 measures, but Noel looks like a much better rebounder than Biyombo, and despite not being as strong, he's taller, plays with more energy/activity and has a larger impact. He averaged 2.1 steals as a freshman, which is insane for a center.

10.5ppg, 9.5reb, 4.4blks, 2.1stls, 1.6ast. 59%fg. Noel fills out a stat sheet. Despite being injured, Noel has a great chance of going #1 in this draft. There's no way Biyombo would.

mrknowitall215 · Post #16 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:27 pm

This is my last two cents about this because I'm sure the people that voted for Biyombo will retract in another year or two. All I have to say is that if Noel comes into the league and performs like Biyombo in his first 2 seasons, he is a bust of epic proportions. I like Biyombo, and feel like at this point Charlotte should be patient with his growth as a basketball player being that he was a worthy risk of a reach at 7th overall in the 2011 draft, but he's not a better player than Noel

KembaWalker · Post #17 » by **KembaWalker** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:53 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:Noel is not a better rim protector than Biyombo. I doubt he's a better rebounder. Biz has more potential because his frame can clearly hold 20-30 pounds more than Noel with the same explosiveness and without the fear of injury. give the kid a chance to develop under a real teacher, not Rob Werdann whoever the hell that is

Biyombo averaged 9.6 rebounds per 36 last season, and has 12 double doubles in 143 career games. That's nowhere near good, or acceptable.

For comparison, Noel had 9 double doubles in 24 games as a collegiant. I know it's against difference competition, but still. I don't have per 36 measures, but Noel looks like a much better rebounder than Biyombo, and despite not being as strong, he's taller, plays with more energy/activity and has a larger impact. He averaged 2.1 steals as a freshman, which is insane for a center.

10.5ppg, 9.5reb, 4.4blks, 2.1stls, 1.6ast. 59%fg. Noel fills out a stat sheet. Despite being injured, Noel has a great chance of going #1 in this draft. There's no way Biyombo would.

Outside of steals I'm 100% positive Bismack could put up stats like that in the current NCAA. the one time he played against NCAA kids he demolished them, and that was against the best of the best. cant even imagine what he'd do with an average NCAA schedule against 80% garbage teams

Red Larrivee · Post #18 » by **Red Larrivee** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:58 pm

Even past that, I don't see anything that Biyombo does better than Noel. I'm sure Noel at 18 could've done 4pts/7reb/1.8blks with 27mpg as a starter in the NBA last season.

catch20two · Post #19 » by **catch20two** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:59 pm

I guess 11 out of 21 of us think that Biz could be a #1 pick in this year's draft :lol:

BeesWax · Post #20 » by **BeesWax** » Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:05 am

I think the problem here is that Biyombo is my pick at center and Noel is my pick at PF. They could both play together on defense and be great. Biyombo's frame is better suited to be a center as he is broader and built very much like Howard. Noel has better agility and footwork and is better suited for PF due to his lighter frame.

I think Noel has more talent but Biyombo may end up being the better post defender. I just wish one of them was better offensively so we could pair them together and have a great defensive combo down there.

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