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Please critique my analysis
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:38 am
by jazzfan1971
#26 - Charlotte Bobcats
PG - Kemba Walker, Ramon Sessions
SG - Gerald Henderson, Ben Gordon
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Jeff Taylor
PF - Cody Zeller, Josh McRoberts
C - Al Jefferson, Bismack Biyombo
D - Brendan Haywood, Jeff Adrien, ?
The Bobcats brought in Al Jefferson to score some points. I've seen a ton of Al Jefferson, he can score. Problem is he can't do much else. And I have my doubts that a Jefferson/Zeller frontcourt is going to work that well. Add to that an extremely young team and I see some struggles. It'll be fun to watch fans argue for Jefferson for scoring or Biyombo for upside and defense. Should be some fun battles there.
I actually don't think the Bobcats will be terrible. They've amassed a ton of young guys who were drafted quite highly. With any luck those folks will start to develop internally and give the team a lift. I'm a little leery of this team for fantasy purposes, it looks to me like they are going to be running a lot of guys in and out of the lineup and you'll get a different player of the game from one night to the next. I don't see much consistency there except for Jefferson who will shoot when he gets the ball. I know a lot of folks are high on Zeller. I'm not that excited about him as a fantasy prospect this season myself. I'd probably let someone else have him.
Projected record: 27-55
Re: Please critique my analysis
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:59 am
by Liver_Pooty
No one should argue between Jefferson and Biyombo. Biyombo is a nice shot blocker, but his defense is average. Skilled big men absolutely obliterate him. He only excels against athletic big men with no offensive skill set, aka a Dwight Howard.
No one cares about fantasy prospects.
We haven't amassed a ton of young guys compared to the Cavs, Wizards, Sixers, Magic, etc.
A whole writeup without mention of MKG? Let alone Kemba Walker.
No reason why a Jefferson/Zeller duo can't work. Makes me nauseous when people down Zellers defense. His defense is solid.
I like you coming by here and giving your input. I'd recommend you getting a blog. You've been writing quiet a bit on the GB I see. Stop by more often.
I think you're in the ballpark as far as win loss record.
Re: Please critique my analysis
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:22 pm
by BeesWax
jazzfan1971 wrote:#26 - Charlotte Bobcats
PG - Kemba Walker, Ramon Sessions
SG - Gerald Henderson, Ben Gordon
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Jeff Taylor
PF - Cody Zeller, Josh McRoberts
C - Al Jefferson, Bismack Biyombo
D - Brendan Haywood, Jeff Adrien, ?
The Bobcats brought in Al Jefferson to score some points. I've seen a ton of Al Jefferson, he can score. Problem is he can't do much else. And I have my doubts that a Jefferson/Zeller frontcourt is going to work that well. Add to that an extremely young team and I see some struggles. It'll be fun to watch fans argue for Jefferson for scoring or Biyombo for upside and defense. Should be some fun battles there.
I actually don't think the Bobcats will be terrible. They've amassed a ton of young guys who were drafted quite highly. With any luck those folks will start to develop internally and give the team a lift. I'm a little leery of this team for fantasy purposes, it looks to me like they are going to be running a lot of guys in and out of the lineup and you'll get a different player of the game from one night to the next. I don't see much consistency there except for Jefferson who will shoot when he gets the ball. I know a lot of folks are high on Zeller. I'm not that excited about him as a fantasy prospect this season myself. I'd probably let someone else have him.
Projected record: 27-55
I think it is a solid write up. Some will disagree on the Jefferson and Zeller comment but I agree. That could be the worst defensive 4/5 combo in the league early in the year. Zeller may get better as the year progresses making it more tolerable. Also you should mention MKG and Kemba who will be big for us this year. The work they got with the USA squad will hopefully help them both and if nothing else it should have been a confidence boost.
Re: Please critique my analysis
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:56 pm
by BobsBuddy

This team now with Hendo back and how these guys contracts are structured will result in allot more wins this year.
Positive thoughts--We could win 35-40 games be an exciting team to watch and still not make playoffs because the East got allot better.
Negative Thoughts- we miss out on 2014 franchise stud draft. Who cares anyway they will still win.
We need to sign a couple of Dleaguers with 13th and 14th roster positions.
I figure PewJR will be one of them and we need a 3rd point guard or maybe Daniels to shoot 3s.
Re: Please critique my analysis
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:35 pm
by HornetJail
You got the depth chart perfectly and you're probably close to our record (though I see us winning 30 games unless we "suffer mysterious injuries mid-season"), but what about Kemba, what about MKG, Henderson, Sessions? You need to mention those guys instead of only talking about Jefferson and Bismack. Kemba is the heart and soul of this team and not even a mention?
Also I saw your Sixers write-up on the GB. They have 5 rotation-caliber players at this point: Turner, Young, J-Rich, Hawes, and MCW (not counting Noel since he's injured). They might challenge our record from 2012. (only half-joking)
Re: Please critique my analysis
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:18 pm
by fatlever
for fantasy purposes, kemba and MKG will be solid. for example, in the team usa scrimmage MKG put up 8pts,7reb,2stl,2blk. he will stuff the box score nightly. mkg is the perfect glue guy for any team. expect kemba to still score 17+ppg 6+apg, 1.5+spg and improve %s.
Re: Please critique my analysis
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:55 pm
by jazzfan1971
I don't think MKG is gonna be a stat stuffer like that. He put up .7 and .9 steals and blocks last season in 26 minutes. I think those numbers will scale with minutes, but, I don't expect them to go up with experience much if any.
He wasn't a stat stuffer in college either IIRC.
So, I wouldn't get too crazy on my fantasy predictions on him. He'll be a little better due to more minutes and that's about it. I don't think his efficiencies are going to improve much. (maybe 3pt%)
Re: Please critique my analysis
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:32 pm
by Eoghan
Good write-up, I concur. It's dangerous territory to go in depth with player projections anyway, let alone on a team with a rookie head coach like ours so I don't mind the fact you didn't talk about Kemba, MKG, etc. You just don't know how these players are going to be used, schemes, etc so it's fruitless to try.
I'm in the "Bismack is more important for defense" camp b/c he simply has been instrumental in practically every Bobcat win these past two years. His rim protection allows all the players to play more aggressive D and he is a leader.
Re: Please critique my analysis
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:49 pm
by Joest2003
BrotherDave wrote:Good write-up, I concur. It's dangerous territory to go in depth with player projections anyway, let alone on a team with a rookie head coach like ours so I don't mind the fact you didn't talk about Kemba, MKG, etc. You just don't know how these players are going to be used, schemes, etc so it's fruitless to try.
I'm in the "Bismack is more important for defense" camp b/c he simply has been instrumental in practically every Bobcat win these past two years. His rim protection allows all the players to play more aggressive D and he is a leader.
Biz over big Al?? have you watched a Bobcats game the past 2 years he has bricks for hands and I have never seen Biz finish a lob, and im just wondering but why does your tag say fire Rich Cho? are you forgetting he turned Matt Carol into Josh Mcroberts? anyone to pull that off deserves a promotion not to be fired.
Re: Please critique my analysis
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:14 pm
by fatlever
per 36 MKG put up 12.5ppg, 8.1rpg, 2.1apg, 1.0spg, 1.2bpg on OK fg% and OK ft%.
i'd be happy with that production from one of my bench or 2nd small forwards in fantasy.
Re: Please critique my analysis
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:32 pm
by jazzfan1971
fatlever wrote:per 36 MKG put up 12.5ppg, 8.1rpg, 2.1apg, 1.0spg, 1.2bpg on OK fg% and OK ft%.
i'd be happy with that production from one of my bench or 2nd small forwards in fantasy.
I think he might come close to those numbers. Just not 2 blk and 2 stl. In fact, he might even score a bit more.
I kinda doubt he reaches 8.1rpg though, that would be amazing.
Re: Please critique my analysis
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:53 pm
by JT2006
jazzfan1971 wrote:I don't think MKG is gonna be a stat stuffer like that. He put up .7 and .9 steals and blocks last season in 26 minutes. I think those numbers will scale with minutes, but, I don't expect them to go up with experience much if any.
He wasn't a stat stuffer in college either IIRC.
So, I wouldn't get too crazy on my fantasy predictions on him. He'll be a little better due to more minutes and that's about it. I don't think his efficiencies are going to improve much. (maybe 3pt%)
he doesn't even take three point shots. he took less than 5 all year. and he's always been a (non ppg) stat stuffer. Expect a block and a steal at least from him
Re: Please critique my analysis
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:35 pm
by fatlever
i didnt mean to imply i thought MKG would average 2 blocks and 2 steals. only the magical gerald wallace has done that in the past 20 years. I was just using that box score as an example of the type of fantasy impact MKG will have on a game to game basis, even when he isnt scoring. some nights he'll grab 10+ rebounds, some nights he'll dish out 5+ assists, other nights he'll block a handful of shots or get a handful of steals.
Re: Please critique my analysis
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:36 pm
by Snidely FC
I think the o.p. is underestimating MKG.
Who loves Jimmy Butler? Everyone. I'm looking for a Jimmy Butler type expansion of MKG's #'s across the board from year 1 to year 2.
Jimmy Butler, year 1 & year 2:
REGULAR SEASON AVERAGES
SEASON GP MIN FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL TO PTS
'11-'12 42 8.5 0.8-1.9 .405 0.0-0.3 .182 1.0-1.3 .768 0.6 0.8 1.3 0.3 0.1 0.3 0.3 2.6
'12-'13 82 26.0 2.9-6.2 .467 0.5-1.3 .381 2.3-2.8 .803 1.7 2.3 4.0 1.4 0.4 1.0 0.8 8.6
MKG year1:
SEASON TEAM GP MIN FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL TO PTS
'12-'13 78 26.0 3.6-7.9 .458 0.0-0.1 .222 1.8-2.4 .749 1.7 4.2 5.8 1.5 0.9 0.7 1.3 9.0
Look for a dramatic expansion in MKG Year 2.
Re: Please critique my analysis
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:43 pm
by Eoghan
Joest2003 wrote:BrotherDave wrote:Good write-up, I concur. It's dangerous territory to go in depth with player projections anyway, let alone on a team with a rookie head coach like ours so I don't mind the fact you didn't talk about Kemba, MKG, etc. You just don't know how these players are going to be used, schemes, etc so it's fruitless to try.
I'm in the "Bismack is more important for defense" camp b/c he simply has been instrumental in practically every Bobcat win these past two years. His rim protection allows all the players to play more aggressive D and he is a leader.
Biz over big Al?? have you watched a Bobcats game the past 2 years he has bricks for hands and I have never seen Biz finish a lob, and im just wondering but why does your tag say fire Rich Cho? are you forgetting he turned Matt Carol into Josh Mcroberts? anyone to pull that off deserves a promotion not to be fired.
My sig is kind of in jest but my position is that building through the draft successfully is imperative to making Charlotte a contender and Cho is not doing a satisfactory job in drafting. He's great in every other area but that one, and that's the most important area. I've explained this in depth in the "franchise direction" thread and elsewhere so I'm not getting into it.
Regarding Big Al vs Biz it's pretty simple. We have more good defensive players than we do offensive players. With Big AL in the lineup, we have to outscore the other team to get a lead b/c he is too poor defensively and the rest of the starters are too poor offensively. Kemba is the only other Bobcat that can create his own offense and he has his limitations (not a great outside shooter, small). So the number of teams we can outscore is going to be pretty few. But, Kemba, MKG, Hendo, Taylor, and Biz are all really good defensive players so if the Bobcats actually manage to get a lead, it only has a prayer of being kept if Biz in the lineup somehow (either with or w/o Jefferson) to stymie a run from the other team. Like it or not, Biz is our only rim protector and he makes his teammates better defenders.
Re: Please critique my analysis
Posted: Sun Aug 4, 2013 10:37 pm
by No-Man
Charlotte looks better than Philly, Orlando, Milwaukee, Phoenix, Utah, right now for sure, and at a similar level to Sacto and Boston, so they can find themselves with an 8th pick and 30 Wins this season.
They likely will have 3 picks in the top20 next year, so even if they miss the top prospects that will go in the top3-5, they can improve the roster with young players with upside.
They should target SG, combo guard and PF/Center at priorities in the Draft.
Re: Please critique my analysis
Posted: Mon Aug 5, 2013 1:31 am
by ball teacher
jazzfan1971 wrote:#26 - Charlotte Bobcats
PG - Kemba Walker, Ramon Sessions
SG - Gerald Henderson, Ben Gordon
SF - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Jeff Taylor
PF - Cody Zeller, Josh McRoberts
C - Al Jefferson, Bismack Biyombo
D - Brendan Haywood, Jeff Adrien, ?
The Bobcats brought in Al Jefferson to score some points. I've seen a ton of Al Jefferson, he can score. Problem is he can't do much else. And I have my doubts that a Jefferson/Zeller frontcourt is going to work that well. Add to that an extremely young team and I see some struggles. It'll be fun to watch fans argue for Jefferson for scoring or Biyombo for upside and defense. Should be some fun battles there.
I actually don't think the Bobcats will be terrible. They've amassed a ton of young guys who were drafted quite highly. With any luck those folks will start to develop internally and give the team a lift. I'm a little leery of this team for fantasy purposes, it looks to me like they are going to be running a lot of guys in and out of the lineup and you'll get a different player of the game from one night to the next. I don't see much consistency there except for Jefferson who will shoot when he gets the ball. I know a lot of folks are high on Zeller. I'm not that excited about him as a fantasy prospect this season myself. I'd probably let someone else have him.
Projected record: 27-55
I think the Zeller Jefferson front court can work, I don't think we've ever seen Jefferson playing alongside a 7ft player. The Utah Jazz only recently got some height but for the longest time, it's been good but undersized with Boozer and Millsap, and then Al Jeff and Millsap, also, the two compliment each other well. One is a athletic big with some range, the other is a unathletic solid post player who you can feed inside, I think they can do well together.
I also disagree that we wont have solid consitency from other than Al, Henderson is a solid player and had we ran a traditional offense and he didnt have some injury problems, he would've been the main scorer for this team last year. I think this team will get 35-40 wins with a better season from Henderson, MKG, and Sessions who will play more like a traditional PG instead of trying to out chuck Kemba like he did last year when we played no real offense.