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Defense wins Championships?

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:02 am
by Eoghan
I've been reading an enjoyable book entitled Scorecasting: The Hidden Influences Behind How Sports are Played And Games are Won by Tobias J. Moskowitz and L. Jon Wertheim and one chapter seemed to confirm a large reason why I'm not happy with the Bobcats' current roster and direction (could be A priori bias, you tell me).

In the chapter entitled "Offense Wins Championships, Too" the authors make it abundantly clear that although the axiom is "Defense wins championships" and every player is always quick to credit defense for their team's success, the stats argue that it's a stalemate across all major professional sports.

But the bottom line is this: Defense is no more important than offense. It's not defense that wins championships. In virtually every sport, you need either a stellar offense or a stellar defense, and having both is even better. Instead of coming with the "defense wins championships" cliche, a brutally honest coach might more aptly, if less inspirationally, say: "Defense is less sexy and more essential than offense. But I urge it, anyway."

On the NBA in particular:
Of the 64 NBA championships from 1947 to 2010, the league's best defensive teams during the regular season have won nine titles and the best offensive teams have won seven. That's pretty even. In the playoffs, the better defensive teams win 54.4 percent of the time and the better offensive teams win 54.8 percent of the time--almost dead even. Among 50,000 or so regular season games, the better defensive teams win no more often than the better offensive teams.


Now let's look at the Bobcats in terms of offense and defense. Currently, next to last in effective Field Goal percentage at 46.5%. So, pretty terrible on offense. Our opponent's effective FG% is 49.2%, that's good enough for 12th best. Not too shabby. This shouldn't come to anyone's surprise, right?

Kemba: Competent to good defender despite his size.
Hendo: Solid overall.
MKG: Defensive stud.
Taylor: Was a good defender.
McBob: Average but not a terrible liability thanks to his IQ.
Bismack: Borderline stud (if his short minutes are any indication).
Tolliver: Decent,similar boat as McBob.
Adrien: Competent to good despite his size.
Sessions: Not good
Pargo: Not good
CDR: Eh.
Jefferson: Terrible.
Gordon: Hopeless.
Zeller: Eh, could be worse. Potential is there.

There are way more good defensive players than there are good offensive players. Our good offensive players are: Jefferson, usually Kemba, sometimes Hendo. Everyone else, it's a crapshoot. Also, most of our good defensive players are young or just entering their prime. Our coach has a reputation for being a defense minded coach (12th best in the NBA speaks to that). So we are way closer to being an elite defensive team than we are an elite offensive team. And if it's one or the other to be successful in the NBA, does our roster/direction really make sense? Is a team headlined by Al Jefferson the right way to go about this? Or are we so desperate for a respectable offense that we are willing to sacrifice our chances of an elite defense and thus postseason glory?

Discuss.

Re: Defense wins Championships?

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:21 am
by catch20two
Put a rim protector like Biz next to Jefferson and we have a top notch defense. Every great defense that I can remember had at least one player in the lineup that was a questionable to below average defender and that's what Jefferson is for us. We need a 3 point shooting SG to balance out our roster and we'll be ready to compete with the better teams on a more consistent basis.

Re: Defense wins Championships?

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:29 am
by JDR720
defense does help a lot, but if you cant score you aren't gonna get to far you need to find the right balance of offense and defense to win a championship in the NBA

Re: Defense wins Championships?

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:30 am
by fatlever
the goal for every great team should be balance. i think its rare to find great teams who weren't at least average or better in both phases of the game. top 5 in one area and top 15 in the other will usually produce a very good team.

i'd like to think our front office has a plan, but nothing in their past indicates they are doing anything other than randomly collecting "assets". but for arguments sake, lets give them some credit and assume they are building with a plan. perhaps they looked at our team and saw potential good to great defenders in MKG, taylor, biz and hendo and at least an average defender in kemba. and perhaps they realized that this team, with the right coach, should have no problem becoming a top 10 defense, but they could afford to add a defensive liability if that player was an elite offense talent and that is why they were OK with jefferson.

but honestly, i think it was more like - hey, who is a free agent that will come here? jefferson? sure, like see if he wants to play here. how does he fit? who cares, he is a big name and will make us look less ridiculous around the league."

btw, there was a graphic floating around twitter the other day that showed a graph of the offense and defense of each team in the league, ranked by points per possession, one line for offense and one line for defense, graphed over the course of the season. if anyone remembers where that was posted, please link it here.

Re: Defense wins Championships?

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:33 am
by fatlever
does anyone have a good guess as to which team in history finished with the best combined ranking (points per possession) for offense and defense.

for example
#1 in offense
#6 in defense
= 7

#6 in offense
#3 in defense
= 9

has there ever been a team that was #1 in both?

Re: Defense wins Championships?

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:40 am
by JDR720
fatlever wrote:does anyone have a good guess as to which team in history finished with the best combined ranking (points per possession) for offense and defense.

for example
#1 in offense
#6 in defense
= 7

#6 in offense
#3 in defense
= 9

has there ever been a team that was #1 in both?

the 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls were #1 in both offense and defensive efficiency, that was the year they went 72-10

Re: Defense wins Championships?

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:46 am
by fatlever
btw, playing around on bball ref

searched
team ORTG > 105
team DTRG < 96

the only team in NBA history to match, the current pacers. pacers currently #16 in offense, #1 in defense


2000-01 spurs ranked #6 in offense, #1 in defense
2011-12 bulls ranked #5 in offense, #2 in defense
2006-07 spurs ranked #5 in offense, #2 in defense
1999-00 lakers ranked #5 in offense, #1 in defense
1996-97 bulls ranked #1 in offense, #4 in defense
1991-92 bulls ranked #1 in offense, #4 in defense
*** winner ***
1995-96 bulls ranked #1 in offense, #1 in defense

Re: Defense wins Championships?

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:46 am
by fatlever
JDR720 wrote:
fatlever wrote:does anyone have a good guess as to which team in history finished with the best combined ranking (points per possession) for offense and defense.

for example
#1 in offense
#6 in defense
= 7

#6 in offense
#3 in defense
= 9

has there ever been a team that was #1 in both?

the 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls were #1 in both offense and defensive efficiency, that was the year they went 72-10


ahh.. you beat me to it... i was doing my research

Re: Defense wins Championships?

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:53 am
by JDR720
fatlever wrote:
JDR720 wrote:
fatlever wrote:does anyone have a good guess as to which team in history finished with the best combined ranking (points per possession) for offense and defense.

for example
#1 in offense
#6 in defense
= 7

#6 in offense
#3 in defense
= 9

has there ever been a team that was #1 in both?

the 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls were #1 in both offense and defensive efficiency, that was the year they went 72-10


ahh.. you beat me to it... i was doing my research

I'm a professional googler #Skills #YOLO #BizNation

Re: Defense wins Championships?

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:55 am
by catch20two
Well we know Clifford's defense is more about his system then the players. That's not to say that we don't need good defensive players but we can stand to make our offense better by adding some more scorers to balance it out. That's why I'm all for adding a player and making a playoff push. I'm tired of rookies and waiting for them to pan out. Give him time. Give him time. Give him time. F all that.

Re: Defense wins Championships?

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:05 am
by fatlever
clifford has a system for defense, but without an elite talent like MKG anchoring that system it doesnt really do much good. we were very average (or worse) when MKG was out.

Re: Defense wins Championships?

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:06 am
by HornetJail
fatlever wrote:clifford has a system for defense, but without an elite talent like MKG anchoring that system it doesnt really do much good. we were very average (or worse) when MKG was out.

We were absolutely horrendous toward the end of the MKG-less stretch. Thy period had me of all people ready to tank the season.