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Give me your pessimists, your realists, your huddled pragmatists yearning to doubt optimists. This thread is for the Doubting Thomas's in all of us.


To get the ball rolling:

yosemiteben wrote:

BrotherDave wrote:

yosemiteben wrote:Oh if we could only go back to the good old days of no cap space or picks and maxing out at sneaking in the playoffs before a first round exit.

What has Cho done to that masterpiece?

He's working on the no cap space and sneaking into the playoffs before a first round exit part. He has the latter down pat already.

Well, considering we got to the first round before we used the majority of our cap space and while sitting on two first round picks and while developing multiple top 5 picks, I would say that we are far from maxing out. Then again, I am not the one who enjoys trying to get depressed about the Hornets' prospects, so yeah let's pretend that we are totally screwed and have completely maxed out our potential.

BD, just when I think you can be taken seriously, you kick into negative troll mode.

We got to the first round b/c the East was historically bad and tanking for Wiggins, Embiid, and Parker. We're almost assuredly going to overpay a FA this year (take your pick between Stephenson, Hayward or other) and then pretty soon we're going to have start paying all these developing players on rookie deals. That day of being maxed out and locked in is coming; Cho can't just sit on cap space forever.

So, just to make sure we're on the same page, should Cho be criticized for the cap space we now have? For the picks we now have? Can we agree that our current cap space and pick situation is a positive one?

yosemiteben wrote:So, just to make sure we're on the same page, should Cho be criticized for the cap space we now have? For the picks we now have? Can we agree that our current cap space and pick situation is a positive one?

It's a positive one 'for now', but a lot can change after June 26th into the middle of July

mrknowitall215 wrote:

yosemiteben wrote:So, just to make sure we're on the same page, should Cho be criticized for the cap space we now have? For the picks we now have? Can we agree that our current cap space and pick situation is a positive one?

It's a positive one 'for now', but a lot can change after June 26th into the middle of July

K, so we're being negative despite our positive cap space and pick situation because of concerns about FO decisions, which concerns are fueled by psychic incantations?

Can we at least wait until we see what we do before we come out as negative? Is that too much to ask?

yosemiteben wrote:

mrknowitall215 wrote:

yosemiteben wrote:So, just to make sure we're on the same page, should Cho be criticized for the cap space we now have? For the picks we now have? Can we agree that our current cap space and pick situation is a positive one?

It's a positive one 'for now', but a lot can change after June 26th into the middle of July

K, so we're being negative despite our positive cap space and pick situation because of concerns about FO decisions, which concerns are fueled by psychic incantations?

Can we at least wait until we see what we do before we come out as negative? Is that too much to ask?

There's positive on top of negatives in my post. Some posts I share optimism for things that I believe would make the roster better if Cho is thinking the same way, and other posts I spread pessimism on things that Cho is rumored to be interested in that I think would be detrimental. It depends on which sign of the pinnacle you decide to look at and take out of consideration

yosemiteben wrote:

mrknowitall215 wrote:

yosemiteben wrote:So, just to make sure we're on the same page, should Cho be criticized for the cap space we now have? For the picks we now have? Can we agree that our current cap space and pick situation is a positive one?

It's a positive one 'for now', but a lot can change after June 26th into the middle of July

K, so we're being negative despite our positive cap space and pick situation because of concerns about FO decisions, which concerns are fueled by psychic incantations?

Can we at least wait until we see what we do before we come out as negative? Is that too much to ask?

Nothing psychic about it. Portland gave Cho the quick ax b/c they didn't like the way he ran things. I called Cho out as a bad drafter the day after MKG was drafted and nothing he's done has proved contrary. All of his draft picks have major flaws and there's little reason to think that he won't whiff on this draft too.

We can't just keep pushing the deadline for when it's okay to be negative or we'll never be negative and still have Bernie Bickerstaff in charge of everything.

How about recognizing the objectively positive state of the franchise, and reserve judgment until you see what they do with the assets they've collected?

It seems weird to me that this needs to be spelled out to Hornets fans who would rather complain in the midst of one of the most positive periods in franchise history. We have picks, cap space, developing young talent, great new coach, FO that generally hasn't made stupid decisions, new brand...yeah let's just all agree we're going no where and have already maxed out our resources.

BrotherDave wrote:

yosemiteben wrote:

mrknowitall215 wrote:
It's a positive one 'for now', but a lot can change after June 26th into the middle of July

K, so we're being negative despite our positive cap space and pick situation because of concerns about FO decisions, which concerns are fueled by psychic incantations?

Can we at least wait until we see what we do before we come out as negative? Is that too much to ask?

Nothing psychic about it. Portland gave Cho the quick ax b/c they didn't like the way he ran things. I called Cho out as a bad drafter the day after MKG was drafted and nothing he's done has proved contrary. All of his draft picks have major flaws and there's little reason to think that he won't whiff on this draft too.

We can't just keep pushing the deadline for when it's okay to be negative or we'll never be negative and still have Bernie Bickerstaff in charge of everything.

I will concede that Cho's drafting record is not great, but you can't just ignore the other positives he's responsible for. I agree that this is a make or break offseason for the franchise, I just feel like it's only fair to let the guy who is largely responsible for setting us up to improve actually take steps to do it before longing for the good old days.

BD, can you really in good faith say you think we were better off before with the one playoff series we made than we are today?

How about not getting so uptight about posters expressing possibilities that they'd disagree with and might be detrimental to the team's future? This is a board based on debate. For every proposal/idea that one person post there's sure to be at least one person that's opposed to it

Cho isn't exempt from the same ridicule that Higgins received if he happen to fail. The possibility of Gary Harris or Elfrid Payton at #9 as rumored isn't something I can sit idle on without putting in my 2 cents

It's one thing to express an opinion about a prospect. It's another to criticize the FO for decisions that have not been made. MKIA, your posts constantly criticize Cho and the FO for decisions that have not yet been made based on motivations you have no evidence for and that you yourself have recognized you have to use your imagination to support.

yosemiteben wrote:It's one thing to express an opinion about a prospect. It's another to criticize the FO for decisions that have not been made. MKIA, your posts constantly criticize Cho and the FO for decisions that have not yet been made based on motivations you have no evidence for and that you yourself have recognized you have to use your imagination to support.

How can I criticize Cho & Co. for decisions that they have yet to make? I've expressed my gut feeling that I think Cho would take Gary Harris, and I would be mad 'if' he did. There's give and take. I also openly express that I hope my hunch is wrong. It's not like I've been asking for Cho to be fired, because I have no legitimate factual idea what he's going to do on draft day and furthermore. However, I will say that Cho's decision to draft Zeller as a 'stretch 4' last season left me keen to being suspicious of his draft decisions, because that pick was a sucker punch to me while watching it on TV --- I didn't see it coming, and it hurt

mrknowitall215 wrote:How can I criticize Cho & Co. for decisions that they have yet to make?

EXACTLY

yosemiteben wrote:

mrknowitall215 wrote:How can I criticize Cho & Co. for decisions that they have yet to make?

EXACTLY

Where did I criticize Cho for taking Gary Harris? I'm just stating how I would react if he did

We're having a comprehension problem between posts if you think I'm saying that Cho is a bad GM. I've stated on numerous occasions that he's handled the salary cap well, and has put Charlotte in a position to succeed, but at the same time I'm willing to admit that some of his moves have been questionable to me from a distance. What's wrong with that?

just wait until jordan sells the team in a couple of years to a investment group from the middle east.
#puppyfarts

fatlever wrote:just wait until jordan sells the team in a couple of years to a investment group from the middle east.
#puppyfarts

Those Middle Easterners might be great investors that run a team better than Peter Holt of the Spurs #sunshine

fatlever wrote:just wait until jordan sells the team in a couple of years to a investment group from the middle east.
#puppyfarts

Do it MJ, those jokers have Lamborghini's as police cars, the cap wouldn't even be a thing, can even rename the team again to the Charlotte Bombers and for every loss someone gets C4 strapped to them and thrown off a bridge

mrknowitall215 wrote:Where did I criticize Cho for taking Gary Harris? I'm just stating how I would react if he did

Take a look back in the Stauskas thread where you talked about being certain that Cho wanted Harris, that Cho was arguing with the rest of the FO about it with Harris as his guy. It's more than just you saying, "Gee, I hope we don't pick Harris, I'd be pissed if we did."

mrknowitall215 wrote:We're having a comprehension problem between posts if you think I'm saying that Cho is a bad GM. I've stated on numerous occasions that he's handled the salary cap well, and has put Charlotte in a position to succeed, but at the same time I'm willing to admit that some of his moves have been questionable to me from a distance. What's wrong with that?

Nothing, I would say the same. Read the OP, and especially the quote from me that BD provided, and then tell me that it's being unrealistic to feel like the Hornets are in a positive place. The whole premise of the thread is that it's being realistic to assume that Cho is "working on the no cap space and sneaking into the playoffs before a first round exit part. He has the latter down pat already," and that thinking differently is just the stuff of fanboys.

yosemiteben wrote:

mrknowitall215 wrote:Where did I criticize Cho for taking Gary Harris? I'm just stating how I would react if he did

Take a look back in the Stauskas thread where you talked about being certain that Cho wanted Harris, that Cho was arguing with the rest of the FO about it with Harris as his guy. It's more than just you saying, "Gee, I hope we don't pick Harris, I'd be pissed if we did."

mrknowitall215 wrote:We're having a comprehension problem between posts if you think I'm saying that Cho is a bad GM. I've stated on numerous occasions that he's handled the salary cap well, and has put Charlotte in a position to succeed, but at the same time I'm willing to admit that some of his moves have been questionable to me from a distance. What's wrong with that?

Nothing, I would say the same. Read the OP, and especially the quote from me that BD provided, and then tell me that it's being unrealistic to feel like the Hornets are in a positive place. The whole premise of the thread is that it's being realistic to assume that Cho is "working on the no cap space and sneaking into the playoffs before a first round exit part. He has the latter down pat already," and that thinking differently is just the stuff of fanboys.

There's distinct divide between me saying "I think Cho is..." and what you're trying to insinuate that I stated as fact to knowing what Cho was saying

Also, there's nothing wrong with what 'BrotherDave' has originated with this thread. He's practically saying that Cho has no room for error on his upcoming decisions, because the Hornets will likely be stuck with the team they assemble this offseason unless they plan on trading the progress of the rookies that Cho so heavily coveted as the mean to building the team into a contender when they tanked and drafted them over the past few years

its sad knowing that whoever we pick will be a massive bust, even if they look great in the summer league *cough* zeller, mkg and taylor *cough*
#puppyfarts

we are about to grossly overpay an undersized point who shoots less than 40%
#puppyfarts