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yosemiteben wrote:

316Hornets wrote:Batum has a 13% usage rate this season. This is the lowest of his career and more than 5% less of his previous 3 seasons. Lamb is the problem that these guys don't do anything though. I guess we should just hold the ball for 24 seconds guys and noone take shots.

Lamb is specifically supposed to be a primary scorer and ISO guy. That's theoretically a big part of his role.

Kemba gets to complain about there not being enough help, he tries to make things happen to make up for the lack of help. Lamb doesn't, he knows we need help and still doesn't try to step up.

Lamb's per 36 min. usage and shot attempts have been pretty consistent for the past 4 years, but now everyone sets their sights on him because he isn't carrying the offense in his first year as the starter?

The only thing that is down this year from last year is his assist rate and that directly ties into other guys being non-existent. If Lamb is our 6th man again, people would find someone else to blame. Nature of the beast.

Is it unfair to ask Lamb to help carry the scoring load, especially in Q4 when teams clamp down on Kemba? If so, fine but that significantly reduces his value IMO.

Lamb need to play better in the 4th quarter. That has been a issue without a doubt.

I’m not going to sit here and act like Lamb is a perfect player (never have) or even the ideal SG for us but at his pay grade he’s a steal and even with his imperfections he’s arguably our second best player.

It would be nice if we had some plays to get him open or set him up for a good shot besides him having to call for a pick at the top of the key and going 1-on-1 vs the switch. Steph Curry is one of the best offensive players in the league that can get his own shot at almost any time and yet still GSW draw up plays to get him open when they need a basket.

Lamb is a league average player and not worth more than 7 mil a year

catch20two wrote:Lamb need to play better in the 4th quarter. That has been a issue without a doubt.

I’m not going to sit here and act like Lamb is a perfect player (never have) or even the ideal SG for us but at his pay grade he’s a steal and even with his imperfections he’s arguably our second best player.

It would be nice if we had some plays to get him open or set him up for a good shot besides him having to call for a pick at the top of the key and going 1-on-1 vs the switch. Steph Curry is one of the best offensive players in the league that can get his own shot at almost any time and yet still GSW draw up plays to get him open when they need a basket.

Yeah I love him at 7 million, and if we weren’t in cap hell or could sign him back at a deal similar to 7 mil I would be down. Problem is he won’t be that cheap and like you said isn’t an ideal fit for this team. So why overpay for him to try and fit him in role that isn’t right for him?

If we sign him to a deal over 10 million it will really tie our hands. We are committing to him being our starting SG at that price and I don’t know if that’s what this team needs. Just think their are better options to think about when it comes to longterm planning.


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JMAC3 wrote:

catch20two wrote:Lamb need to play better in the 4th quarter. That has been a issue without a doubt.

I’m not going to sit here and act like Lamb is a perfect player (never have) or even the ideal SG for us but at his pay grade he’s a steal and even with his imperfections he’s arguably our second best player.

It would be nice if we had some plays to get him open or set him up for a good shot besides him having to call for a pick at the top of the key and going 1-on-1 vs the switch. Steph Curry is one of the best offensive players in the league that can get his own shot at almost any time and yet still GSW draw up plays to get him open when they need a basket.

Yeah I love him at 7 million, and if we weren’t in cap hell or could sign him back at a deal similar to 7 mil I would be down. Problem is he won’t be that cheap and like you said isn’t an ideal fit for this team. So why overpay for him to try and fit him in role that isn’t right for him?

If we sign him to a deal over 10 million it will really tie our hands. We are committing to him being our starting SG at that price and I don’t know if that’s what this team needs. Just think their are better options to think about when it comes to longterm planning.


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It’s not a foregone conclusion that Lamb will be able to demand upwards of $10M as a free agent. A lot of teams mishandled the cap rise including us of course. Either way Lamb is worth $10-12M with his production and still being in his mid-20s.

We’re not re-signing him anyway unless Kupchak is a miracle worker so I don’t even care to discuss this topic as much.

I just want for us to maximize what we do have to see how far we can go in the East playoffs now that LeBron is out West and Lamb is the second least of our problems. Maybe the least because Kemba’s impending free agency is likely our biggest priority and concern.

Trading Lamb away for who?whoever should not be a focus. What team is going to trade us a key player to borrow Lamb when he’s about to be a free agent?

yosemiteben wrote:Is it unfair to ask Lamb to help carry the scoring load, especially in Q4 when teams clamp down on Kemba? If so, fine but that significantly reduces his value IMO.

It is unfair when Lamb is shooting almost a third of his shots with the shotclock running out. Give him some plays at the start of the shotclock and see what he can do.

Last 6 games 4th quarter

Lamb shots with 4 or less seconds left on shotclock: .7fga/2.5 4th qtr fga = 28%
Kemba shots with 4 or less seconds left on shotclock: .8/5.7 = 14%
Nic shots with 4 or less seconds left on shotclock: .2/1.5 = 13.3%
Marv shots with 4 or less seconds left on shotclock: .5/2.5 = 20%

Then he should shoot earlier in the clock? Let's focus on the fact that he barely attempts more Q4 FGs than Batum and attempts the same number as Marv.

He can't shoot earlier in the clock if we aren't calling plays for him and Kemba looks to him to bail him out all the time.

Lamb barely even plays in the 4th quarter to be honest. JB tends to go with the dual PG lineup of Kemba with TP or Monk because he want to take Kemba off the ball some.

316Hornets wrote:He can't shoot earlier in the clock if we aren't calling plays for him and Kemba looks to him to bail him out all the time.

He attempts less than 1 FGA per game in the situation you are describing. He needs to be more productive in late game situations or we need to stop pretending like he's a good wing option in those situations.

catch20two wrote:Lamb barely even plays in the 4th quarter to be honest. JB tends to go with the dual PG lineup of Kemba with TP or Monk because he want to take Kemba off the ball some.

He plays about as much as TP does - https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612766/players-traditional/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4&sort=MIN&dir=1

He's also sporting a 32% FG% in Q4, by far the worst on the team. Not quite as brutal as his 15% 3PT%.

Didn't expect it, but Monk compares extremely favorably in Q4 performance.

yosemiteben wrote:

316Hornets wrote:He can't shoot earlier in the clock if we aren't calling plays for him and Kemba looks to him to bail him out all the time.

He attempts less than 1 FGA per game in the situation you are describing. He needs to be more productive in late game situations or we need to stop pretending like he's a good wing option in those situations.

Kemba has a 36.5% usage in the 4th quarter this season. Is this really a Lamb or Kemba problem? Maybe, even coaching problem?

yosemiteben wrote:

catch20two wrote:Lamb barely even plays in the 4th quarter to be honest. JB tends to go with the dual PG lineup of Kemba with TP or Monk because he want to take Kemba off the ball some.

He plays about as much as TP does - https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612766/players-traditional/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4&sort=MIN&dir=1

He's also sporting a 32% FG% in Q4, by far the worst on the team. Not quite as brutal as his 15% 3PT%.

Didn't expect it, but Monk compares extremely favorably in Q4 performance.

I don’t know about that last part. Monk is a negative net in the 4th.

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612766/players-advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1

Look at that list and tell me there isn't something a little off

Holy crap I didn't realize how awful Lamb has been in Q4 offensively. He's the second worst starting guard (51 out of 52) in terms of FG% and fourth worst in terms of 3PT% (48 out of 52).

https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=FG_PCT&dir=1&CF=GP*GE*30&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4&PlayerPosition=G&StarterBench=Starters

He's ranked 49 out of 52 in TS%.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=TS_PCT&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4&PlayerPosition=G&StarterBench=Starters&CF=GP*GE*30

That's a huge problem.

yosemiteben wrote:Holy crap I didn't realize how awful Lamb has been in Q4 offensively. He's the second worst starting guard (51 out of 52) in terms of FG% and fourth worst in terms of 3PT% (48 out of 52).

https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=FG_PCT&dir=1&CF=GP*GE*30&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4&PlayerPosition=G&StarterBench=Starters

He's ranked 49 out of 52 in TS%.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=TS_PCT&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4&PlayerPosition=G&StarterBench=Starters&CF=GP*GE*30

That's a huge problem.

Don't put this all on Lamb. The Coach doesn't create any plays for him and we often go to the Kemba show in the 4th. All of the guys on the team end up standing around waiting for Kemba to pass.

Just looking at Lamb's frequency of shots with 7 seconds or less on the shotclock in the 4th quarter, you'll see he is in the top group of players.

https://stats.nba.com/players/shots-shotclock/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&ShotClockRange=4-0%20Very%20Late&StarterBench=Starters&sort=FGA_FREQUENCY&dir=1&CF=G*G*25

https://stats.nba.com/players/shots-shotclock/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&ShotClockRange=7-4%20Late&StarterBench=Starters&sort=FGA_FREQUENCY&dir=1&CF=G*G*25

Charlotte also does not produce many transition opportunities and is 2nd in the league with possessions of over 7 dribbles in the 4th quarter

https://stats.nba.com/teams/shots-dribbles/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DribbleRange=7%2B%20Dribbles&sort=FGA_FREQUENCY&dir=1&Period=4



Not saying Lamb shouldn't receive some of the bad press, but the guy isn't being setup for success either.

It's JB's fault that Lamb's shooting %'s are significantly worse than every other Hornets player and almost every other starting guard in the league in Q4 ? Interesting take.

Lamb's go to move is to pound the ball while he figures out what to do. It's not like he's being thrown a lot grenades as time expires.

Lamb has his faults and he needs to play better in the 4th quarter. There’s blame to go around but his individual play isn’t excusable.

yosemiteben wrote:It's JB's fault that Lamb's shooting %'s are significantly worse than every other Hornets player and almost every other starting guard in the league in Q4 ? Interesting take.

Lamb's go to move is to pound the ball while he figures out what to do. It's not like he's being thrown a lot grenades as time expires.

He is being thrown a lot of grenades though. And, when he has the ball, the offense stalls. No one is moving off the ball except for Batum lazily jogging around while Marvin stands at the 3 point line and Kemba is having to take a breather after dribbling for 15 seconds and getting nowhere. The center position on offense might as well be nobody because our centers have no post game except for getting a loose ball and jamming it home.

So, what does Lamb do? The opposing team knows and I know. It's not creative offense and Lamb suffers as a result.