9 Things for Hornets Offseason

Post #1 » by **fatlever** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 3:27 pm

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports ... 09812.html

From Bonnell, he discussing 9 things the Hornets need to figure out this summer. I think we would agree with most of them.

1. Find a role for Lance (or trade him)
2. Get some real shooting (team actually got worse this year after trying to address issue last summer)
3. Make sure Cliff and Cho are on same page
4. What does Al have left, physically?
5. Decide if Biz is part of the future (restricted FA this summer)
6. Figure out of you can afford to bring back Mo
7. Establish direction at power forward (Zeller, Vonleh, Marvin or someone else?)
8. Consider extension for MKG
9. Decide youth vs vets

catch20two · Post #2 » by **catch20two** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 3:47 pm

Add a surplus of wing players that are confident scorers like Jordan Hamilton, Jeremy Lamb, and etc. Get them by almost any means necessary which shouldn't be much.

That and get Vonleh into the rotation should put us where we expected to go this season.

Also Clifford need to stick to the defensive identity when things get tough. You're only as strong as your strength. He only make us weak in 4th quarters when he throw out lineups of players that are undersized and mediocre scorers just because he think we need #spacing.

catch20two · Post #3 » by **catch20two** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 4:08 pm

Oh and trade Kemba for some short soon to expire contracts from another team. Something like Kemba to the Knicks for Calderon and Shved. Calderon is a good passer that would be good for MKG, Zeller, and Biz. Also he might be able to hit Hendo on those curl sets that he used to excel at when Augustin was starting.

LofJ · Post #4 » by **LofJ** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 4:33 pm

The most interesting question about this offseason to me is what we'd do with our draft pick if it's in the 9/10 range. We don't have the minutes nor the luxury of developing another raw project. But at the same time we don't want to waste the value of the pick by picking someone there that isn't talented enough to be taken that high. Really, unless we move up I'm all in favor of looking to trade the pick.

catch20two · Post #5 » by **catch20two** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 4:36 pm

LofJ wrote:The most interesting question about this offseason to me is what we'd do with our draft pick if it's in the 9/10 range. We don't have the minutes nor the luxury of developing another raw project. But at the same time we don't want to waste the value of the pick by picking someone there that isn't talented enough to be taken that high. Really, unless we move up I'm all in favor of looking to trade the pick.

Kaminsky! Like Zeller before him is NBA ready but even more ready.

LofJ · Post #6 » by **LofJ** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 4:42 pm

catch20two wrote:
LofJ wrote:The most interesting question about this offseason to me is what we'd do with our draft pick if it's in the 9/10 range. We don't have the minutes nor the luxury of developing another raw project. But at the same time we don't want to waste the value of the pick by picking someone there that isn't talented enough to be taken that high. Really, unless we move up I'm all in favor of looking to trade the pick.

Kaminsky! Like Zeller before him is NBA ready but even more ready.

lol, no thanks, I will want Cho fired if he drafts another big and then doesn't trade the pick. If we can't get Hezonja or Winslow we should trade out or attach the pick to an opted in Al and see what offers we get.

Joest2003 · Post #7 » by **Joest2003** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 5:16 pm

Heres my nine, Shooting, shooting, shooting, shooting, shooting, shooting, shooting, shooting, Get rid of big AL for someone who will play defense and not clog he lane 24/7.

catch20two · Post #8 » by **catch20two** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 6:00 pm

LofJ wrote:
catch20two wrote:
LofJ wrote:The most interesting question about this offseason to me is what we'd do with our draft pick if it's in the 9/10 range. We don't have the minutes nor the luxury of developing another raw project. But at the same time we don't want to waste the value of the pick by picking someone there that isn't talented enough to be taken that high. Really, unless we move up I'm all in favor of looking to trade the pick.

Kaminsky! Like Zeller before him is NBA ready but even more ready.

lol, no thanks, I will want Cho fired if he drafts another big and then doesn't trade the pick. If we can't get Hezonja or Winslow we should trade out or attach the pick to an opted in Al and see what offers we get.

Brace yourself then for the possibility. I honestly wouldn't be mad at drafting Kaminsky at #9-10 if it's between him and Hezonja. I wasn't high on Hezonja at first, I seen his highlight reel got very excited about him, decided to do some deeper research and found out that he can't play defense worth a lick, can't blow by SG/SF quickness, and is a inconsistent shooter.

-Ian- · Post #9 » by **-Ian-** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:04 am

I find it interesting that Bonnell wrote about Cho and Clifford.

If it comes down to choosing only one, who would you rather ax: Cho or Clifford?

catch20two · Post #10 » by **catch20two** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:06 am

-Ian- wrote:I find it interesting that Bonnell wrote about Cho and Clifford.

If it comes down to choosing only one, who would you rather ax: Cho or Clifford?

I'd rather ax Cho but for Jordan it might be easier to ax Clifford. Jordan sacrificed a lot of control and trust over to Cho to just strip it from him only one year after dismissing his cronie Higgins. I'd say give them both until the 2016 season and then decide which is worth keeping or firing, prolly both or neither.

Braggins · Post #11 » by **Braggins** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:19 am

catch20two wrote:
LofJ wrote:
catch20two wrote:Kaminsky! Like Zeller before him is NBA ready but even more ready.

lol, no thanks, I will want Cho fired if he drafts another big and then doesn't trade the pick. If we can't get Hezonja or Winslow we should trade out or attach the pick to an opted in Al and see what offers we get.

Brace yourself then for the possibility. I honestly wouldn't be mad at drafting Kaminsky at #9-10 if it's between him and Hezonja. I wasn't high on Hezonja at first, I seen his highlight reel got very excited about him, decided to do some deeper research and found out that he can't play defense worth a lick, can't blow by SG/SF quickness, and is a inconsistent shooter.

Can Kaminsky play center in this league? I'm not really against him as a prospect in general but I don't see where he would fit on this team long term if he can't play center. It seems like he will have to be a stretch 4 and we've used our last two lottery picks on PF's.

Braggins · Post #12 » by **Braggins** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:21 am

-Ian- wrote:I find it interesting that Bonnell wrote about Cho and Clifford.

If it comes down to choosing only one, who would you rather ax: Cho or Clifford?

Definitely Clifford. Cho has made some questionable moves recently, but I don't get the sense that he is completely clueless like I do with Clifford. Right now I feel like Cho might be a bad gm, whereas I feel like Clifford is almost definitely a bad coach.

catch20two · Post #13 » by **catch20two** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:43 am

Braggins wrote:
catch20two wrote:
LofJ wrote:
lol, no thanks, I will want Cho fired if he drafts another big and then doesn't trade the pick. If we can't get Hezonja or Winslow we should trade out or attach the pick to an opted in Al and see what offers we get.

Brace yourself then for the possibility. I honestly wouldn't be mad at drafting Kaminsky at #9-10 if it's between him and Hezonja. I wasn't high on Hezonja at first, I seen his highlight reel got very excited about him, decided to do some deeper research and found out that he can't play defense worth a lick, can't blow by SG/SF quickness, and is a inconsistent shooter.

Can Kaminsky play center in this league? I'm not really against him as a prospect in general but I don't see where he would fit on this team long term if he can't play center. It seems like he will have to be a stretch 4 and we've used our last two lottery picks on PF's.

C and PF is kinda interchangeable and both Zeller and Vonleh can play center as well as of course Biz. It seems the team has been trying to transition Cody to center a little more this year than last year. Kaminsky can play center but I see him as more of a PF prospect that can do everything Cho's wishful thinking thought Zeller could do. I don't think it would hurt to stockpile on bigs if they are BPA, especially considering that it's not like any of them has stood out as a promising prospect to be star big yet. Biz has shown to be a elite rim protector and that's about it out of them so far.

catch20two · Post #14 » by **catch20two** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:47 am

I just remember too much of the cluelessness in Silas and Dunlap before Clifford to be willing to just fire him without a guaranteed successor. This league is full of looney coaches that are full of themselves thinking their way to play is the only way to play without knowing how to adjust except for a select few. I despise Clifford but there's worse options, plenty of them.

Braggins · Post #15 » by **Braggins** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:55 am

catch20two wrote:
Braggins wrote:
catch20two wrote:Brace yourself then for the possibility. I honestly wouldn't be mad at drafting Kaminsky at #9-10 if it's between him and Hezonja. I wasn't high on Hezonja at first, I seen his highlight reel got very excited about him, decided to do some deeper research and found out that he can't play defense worth a lick, can't blow by SG/SF quickness, and is a inconsistent shooter.

Can Kaminsky play center in this league? I'm not really against him as a prospect in general but I don't see where he would fit on this team long term if he can't play center. It seems like he will have to be a stretch 4 and we've used our last two lottery picks on PF's.

C and PF is kinda interchangeable and both Zeller and Vonleh can play center as well as of course Biz. It seems the team has been trying to transition Cody to center a little more this year than last year. Kaminsky can play center but I see him as more of a PF prospect that can do everything Cho's wishful thinking thought Zeller could do. I don't think it would hurt to stockpile on bigs if they are BPA, especially considering that it's not like any of them has stood out as a promising prospect to be star big yet. Biz has shown to be a elite rim protector and that's about it out of them so far.

Idk, he just doesn't seem to have enough upside to make me too excited about using a 3rd straight top 10 pick on a PF/C. I definitely wouldn't be against us drafting him depending on how the chips fall, but I'd much rather go after a SG prospect or a big with more upside.

catch20two · Post #16 » by **catch20two** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 3:02 am

Braggins wrote:
catch20two wrote:
Braggins wrote:Can Kaminsky play center in this league? I'm not really against him as a prospect in general but I don't see where he would fit on this team long term if he can't play center. It seems like he will have to be a stretch 4 and we've used our last two lottery picks on PF's.

C and PF is kinda interchangeable and both Zeller and Vonleh can play center as well as of course Biz. It seems the team has been trying to transition Cody to center a little more this year than last year. Kaminsky can play center but I see him as more of a PF prospect that can do everything Cho's wishful thinking thought Zeller could do. I don't think it would hurt to stockpile on bigs if they are BPA, especially considering that it's not like any of them has stood out as a promising prospect to be star big yet. Biz has shown to be a elite rim protector and that's about it out of them so far.

Idk, he just doesn't seem to have enough upside to make me too excited about using a 3rd straight top 10 pick on a PF/C. I definitely wouldn't be against us drafting him depending on how the chips fall, but I'd much rather go after a SG prospect or a big with more upside.

I think Kaminsky has more upside than people give him credit for because everyone is so caught onto the one and done trend and forget the days when college players were groomed slowly and broke out in their jr and sr seasons before entering the draft like Kaminsky has.

However I'm in agreement with you on not selecting yet another big and swinging for a wing even if it's not BPA because I want Oubre.

Braggins · Post #17 » by **Braggins** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 3:17 am

catch20two wrote:
Braggins wrote:
catch20two wrote:C and PF is kinda interchangeable and both Zeller and Vonleh can play center as well as of course Biz. It seems the team has been trying to transition Cody to center a little more this year than last year. Kaminsky can play center but I see him as more of a PF prospect that can do everything Cho's wishful thinking thought Zeller could do. I don't think it would hurt to stockpile on bigs if they are BPA, especially considering that it's not like any of them has stood out as a promising prospect to be star big yet. Biz has shown to be a elite rim protector and that's about it out of them so far.

Idk, he just doesn't seem to have enough upside to make me too excited about using a 3rd straight top 10 pick on a PF/C. I definitely wouldn't be against us drafting him depending on how the chips fall, but I'd much rather go after a SG prospect or a big with more upside.

I think Kaminsky has more upside than people give him credit for because everyone is so caught onto the one and done trend and forget the days when college players were groomed slowly and broke out in their jr and sr seasons before entering the draft like Kaminsky has.

However I'm in agreement with you on not selecting yet another big and swinging for a wing even if it's not BPA because I want Oubre.

I think I prefer Hezonja, but I can't deny that it is partly because he has a cool name and looks entertaining to watch. Id definitely be happy about Oubre too.

DY_nasty · Post #18 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 9:25 am

he got paid to write that?

James Gatz · Post #19 » by **James Gatz** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 1:23 pm

DY_nasty wrote:he got paid to write that?

I dislike Bonnell as much as the next guy, been blocked by him for over a year, but I agreed with almost everything he said in that article. We need shooting, we need to figure out the deal with Al, we need to determine the future of our 4 position.

LofJ · Post #20 » by **LofJ** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:16 pm

James Gatz wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:he got paid to write that?

I dislike Bonnell as much as the next guy, been blocked by him for over a year, but I agreed with almost everything he said in that article. We need shooting, we need to figure out the deal with Al, we need to determine the future of our 4 position.

Bonnell included it in his list, but he should have led with it: We have to make a decision on when we're going to give the reins to our young guys. The 2016 offseason is the obvious point, but I think Biz and Zeller will be ready next season. It's time for us to let them and Vonleh show us what they're made of. Clifford needs to be 100% on board with that or he should be shown the door. Zeller and especially Biz have had ample grooming time, we need to roll with them and let Vonleh get on the court to learn like we did with Biz and Cody.