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Liver_Pooty wrote:I don't care if our colors are pink and yellow and we're called the Dandelions. I want a winning team.

spudwebb wrote:

Liver_Pooty wrote:I don't care if our colors are pink and yellow and we're called the Dandelions. I want a winning team.

I don't mind the losing. I don't even mind multiple winning seasons in the teens. What I hate about this franchise is a total lack of an overall strategy about how we're going to build a contending team. You need a grand strategy, you need luck and then hopefully you can start collecting a few core players you can build around.

Right now there is no grand strategy. And we have ZERO core players to build around. Kemba and MKG are NOT core players to build around but are complementary pieces to build around core players. It seems like the front office is too dense to realize that and has actually convinced much of the fan base otherwise.

If you look at players like Kemba, you'll always notice that they are hyped leading type scorers on their teams earlier in their careers. Then teams realize that they are not that great and can't run a team and are traded around the league. Finally they find value as 6th men types. Jason Terry, Jamaal Crawford, Lou Williams, etc. MKG is a defensive savant but his game is so flawed in the modern NBA where spacing is so critical that even a 4 has to be able to stretch the defense. Even an elite defender like Tony Allen has seen his playing time reduced to ~25 mpg losing minutes to guys like Green and Lee who stretch the defenses out. But on the Hornets, we're trying to combine MKG with Kemba as the core; and Kemba himself is a very mediocre shooter and has tunnel vision passing the ball. This is exacerbated by the fact that there isn't another good shooter on the team.

spudwebb wrote:It seems like the front office is too dense to realize that and has actually convinced much of the fan base otherwise.

MKG is a defensive savant but his game is so flawed in the modern NBA where spacing is so critical that even a 4 has to be able to stretch the defense. Even an elite defender like Tony Allen has seen his playing time reduced to ~25 mpg losing minutes to guys like Green and Lee who stretch the defenses out.

LofJ wrote:If MKG can go from being a complete non threat away from the rim to hitting mid range jumpers at over 40 percent in a year then why in the hell are we betting against him doing more. I see the point with Kemba and I agree with it, but MKG is more than a complementary piece. He's not a number 1, but he'll be a good number 2 - just like he was with AD at Kentucky. He was the leader of that team and he's the leader of our team, that's why we fall apart whenever he's not playing.

spudwebb wrote:
I don't mind the losing. I don't even mind multiple winning seasons in the teens. What I hate about this franchise is a total lack of an overall strategy about how we're going to build a contending team. You need a grand strategy, you need luck and then hopefully you can start collecting a few core players you can build around.

Right now there is no grand strategy. And we have ZERO core players to build around. Kemba and MKG are NOT core players to build around but are complementary pieces to build around core players. It seems like the front office is too dense to realize that and has actually convinced much of the fan base otherwise.

If you look at players like Kemba, you'll always notice that they are hyped leading type scorers on their teams earlier in their careers. Then teams realize that they are not that great and can't run a team and are traded around the league. Finally they find value as 6th men types. Jason Terry, Jamaal Crawford, Lou Williams, etc. MKG is a defensive savant but his game is so flawed in the modern NBA where spacing is so critical that even a 4 has to be able to stretch the defense. Even an elite defender like Tony Allen has seen his playing time reduced to ~25 mpg losing minutes to guys like Green and Lee who stretch the defenses out. But on the Hornets, we're trying to combine MKG with Kemba as the core; and Kemba himself is a very mediocre shooter and has tunnel vision passing the ball. This is exacerbated by the fact that there isn't another good shooter on the team.

spudwebb wrote: And we have ZERO core players to build around. Kemba and MKG are NOT core players to build around but are complementary pieces to build around core players. It seems like the front office is too dense to realize that and has actually convinced much of the fan base otherwise.

Al Kidd-Walker wrote:Drag MKG into your agenda as if he's a random role player when we arent **** without him brehs

Liver_Pooty wrote:We don't have a player to build around. That's a problem.

dmutombo321 wrote:With Al declining, MKG and Kemba are indisputably the two best players on this roster. I dont think anyone argues that. Unfortunately, that speaks more towards the sad state of our talent level more-so than how special either of them are relative to star players elsewhere in the league. Each have significant holes in their games and are, as spud and several others have stated, good complementary pieces that would normally be used to fill out a starting line up after an all-star level core piece or two is already in place.

dmutombo321 wrote:I personally didnt consider wallace more than a very good complementary piece either when he was here. I yearn for the days of the Hornets of old when they had a string of guys like Rice, LJ, Zo, Mashburn all of whom were capable of consistently single handedly carry teams