The Cameron Payne Thread

Post #1 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:25 am

Don't think we created a thread for this guy, back in mid-May he was pretty much off the radar and slotted as a late teens - early 20s pick. Would be a real shocker if we took him, but I like him a lot and wouldn't be upset if he's who we walk away with.

Maybe the reason for the Payne-mania dying down a bit is because he got hurt...

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Liver_Pooty · Post #2 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:04 am

This is my favorite guy. I don't see us drafting him, but he's going to be a hell of a player.

BeesWax · Post #3 » by **BeesWax** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:20 am

I would not be pissed if we took him, just like a lot of these guys, but he is not the top of my list for who will be there.

Liver_Pooty · Post #4 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:25 am

jdm3 wrote:I would not be pissed if we took him, just like a lot of these guys, but he is not the top of my list for who will be there.

I believe he will be a better player than Booker and Oubre.

BeesWax · Post #5 » by **BeesWax** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:28 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:I would not be pissed if we took him, just like a lot of these guys, but he is not the top of my list for who will be there.

I believe he will be a better player than Booker and Oubre.

I don't but I can understand that argument which is what makes me ok with so many guys from this draft. There are around 10 guys after the top 5 or so that I think are all so interchangeable in terms of future than I will be ok with any of them at 9.

Liver_Pooty · Post #6 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:32 am

jdm3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:I would not be pissed if we took him, just like a lot of these guys, but he is not the top of my list for who will be there.

I believe he will be a better player than Booker and Oubre.

I don't but I can understand that argument which is what makes me ok with so many guys from this draft. There are around 10 guys after the top 5 or so that I think are all so interchangeable in terms of future than I will be ok with any of them at 9.

I agree. I mean, most of us would be comfortable with drafting Winslow or Johnson right? And they will be SFs in the league. We have MKG. Why not try for a very talented PG? If we're ok with drafting a 3 why not draft a 1? I believe most of us are so fixated on a 2 guard, perhaps even our FO that we may miss out on a very special player in Payne. That's just my opinion anyway.

BeesWax · Post #7 » by **BeesWax** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:45 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
I believe he will be a better player than Booker and Oubre.

I don't but I can understand that argument which is what makes me ok with so many guys from this draft. There are around 10 guys after the top 5 or so that I think are all so interchangeable in terms of future than I will be ok with any of them at 9.

I agree. I mean, most of us would be comfortable with drafting Winslow or Johnson right? And they will be SFs in the league. We have MKG. Why not try for a very talented PG? If we're ok with drafting a 3 why not draft a 1? I believe most of us are so fixated on a 2 guard, perhaps even our FO that we may miss out on a very special player in Payne. That's just my opinion anyway.

I personally do not feel Kemba and Payne can play together but Johnson/Winslow and MKG can. He slide a bit for me there and I just feel some of these other guys may end up slightly better in the long run. Like I said if we draft him I will not be angry just like with the others you mentioned or Henzonja/Oubre/Booker/WCS and so on. I like Booker the most of the bunch but none have separated themselves to far for me.

Liver_Pooty · Post #8 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:51 am

jdm3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:I don't but I can understand that argument which is what makes me ok with so many guys from this draft. There are around 10 guys after the top 5 or so that I think are all so interchangeable in terms of future than I will be ok with any of them at 9.

I agree. I mean, most of us would be comfortable with drafting Winslow or Johnson right? And they will be SFs in the league. We have MKG. Why not try for a very talented PG? If we're ok with drafting a 3 why not draft a 1? I believe most of us are so fixated on a 2 guard, perhaps even our FO that we may miss out on a very special player in Payne. That's just my opinion anyway.

I personally do not feel Kemba and Payne can play together but Johnson/Winslow and MKG can. He slide a bit for me there and I just feel some of these other guys may end up slightly better in the long run. Like I said if we draft him I will not be angry just like with the others you mentioned or Henzonja/Oubre/Booker/WCS and so on. I like Booker the most of the bunch but none have separated themselves to far for me.

I absolutely do not feel MKG can play with the two you mentioned. Our spacing would be even worse. Winslow can hit the left corner 3 at an elite rate, and Johnson can shoot it OK, but I don't think it'd workout.

And yeah, no way Payne and Walker play alongside each other. Let them battle it out. Best man wins. We're not at a spot as a franchise where any spot is untouchable in my opinion. That includes MKG

BeesWax · Post #9 » by **BeesWax** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:06 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
I agree. I mean, most of us would be comfortable with drafting Winslow or Johnson right? And they will be SFs in the league. We have MKG. Why not try for a very talented PG? If we're ok with drafting a 3 why not draft a 1? I believe most of us are so fixated on a 2 guard, perhaps even our FO that we may miss out on a very special player in Payne. That's just my opinion anyway.

I personally do not feel Kemba and Payne can play together but Johnson/Winslow and MKG can. He slide a bit for me there and I just feel some of these other guys may end up slightly better in the long run. Like I said if we draft him I will not be angry just like with the others you mentioned or Henzonja/Oubre/Booker/WCS and so on. I like Booker the most of the bunch but none have separated themselves to far for me.

I absolutely do not feel MKG can play with the two you mentioned. Our spacing would be even worse. Winslow can hit the left corner 3 at an elite rate, and Johnson can shoot it OK, but I don't think it'd workout.

And yeah, no way Payne and Walker play alongside each other. Let them battle it out. Best man wins. We're not at a spot as a franchise where any spot is untouchable in my opinion. That includes MKG

I think the wings are possible although not ideal fits. If any of them develops a decent three they can play together but just no way with the PGs. Should be a fun draft for me since most of the guys I am cool with. Outside of wasting on a trade up for just another one of the guys I will be fine.

Liver_Pooty · Post #10 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:09 am

jdm3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:I personally do not feel Kemba and Payne can play together but Johnson/Winslow and MKG can. He slide a bit for me there and I just feel some of these other guys may end up slightly better in the long run. Like I said if we draft him I will not be angry just like with the others you mentioned or Henzonja/Oubre/Booker/WCS and so on. I like Booker the most of the bunch but none have separated themselves to far for me.

I absolutely do not feel MKG can play with the two you mentioned. Our spacing would be even worse. Winslow can hit the left corner 3 at an elite rate, and Johnson can shoot it OK, but I don't think it'd workout.

And yeah, no way Payne and Walker play alongside each other. Let them battle it out. Best man wins. We're not at a spot as a franchise where any spot is untouchable in my opinion. That includes MKG

I think the wings are possible although not ideal fits. If any of them develops a decent three they can play together but just no way with the PGs. Should be a fun draft for me since most of the guys I am cool with. Outside of wasting on a trade up for just another one of the guys I will be fine.

I'm fine with everyone but Turner. Lol he can't even run correctly, and we're about to give him a solo workout. That'd be such a disaster.

Post #11 » by **JDR720** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:14 am

I think Cam and Kemba can play together on offense, but neither of them can guard SG's. I think MKG and Johnson can play together on offense and defense, Stanley has a more advanced scoring game than WInslow.

BuzzCat · Post #12 » by **BuzzCat** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:20 am

Don't think Cam and Kemba could play together, you have to pick one to hand the team over to.

Long term would you rather keep Kemba, knowing what he is/will be at this point in his career.
Or hand the reigns over to Cam with the potential he brings?
Ultimately the question is, who has the most potential to bring us to the promise land?

Think that's something to legitimately look at it. Personally, I'm questionable about Kemba being the answer.

Liver_Pooty · Post #13 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:22 am

JDR720 wrote:I think Cam and Kemba can play together on offense, but neither of them can guard SG's. I think MKG and Johnson can play together on offense and defense, Stanley has a more advanced scoring game than WInslow.

The only person that can play together with Walker is a spot up dead on shooter. I'd rather Hairston play with Walker than Payne. Payne is a play maker. Needs the ball like 80% of the other guards. If we're dead set on Walker as our future PG, which we apparently are with his contract we draft Booker, or Oubre and let them battle it out a year from now when Henderson expires.

Hairston may beat them both out.

Liver_Pooty · Post #14 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:24 am

BuzzCat wrote:Don't think Cam and Kemba could play together, you have to pick one to hand the team over to.

Long term would you rather keep Kemba, knowing what he is/will be at this point in his career.
Or hand the reigns over to Cam with the potential he brings?
Ultimately the question is, who has the most potential to bring us to the promise land?

Think that's something to legitimately look at it. Personally, I'm questionable about Kemba being the answer.

Walker is going on his 5th year in the league. He's a career sub 40% shooter. I'm not saying we give up on him, but I'd essily, easily rather have Payne.

Only thing though is Walkers contract

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #15 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:25 am

Last year has me down on Walker, but drafting someone like Payne is going to need to happen this year or next IMHO. It usually takes PGs a few years to adjust to the NBA and I would like having someone young on the team learning that spot while Kemba is entrenched as the starter due to his contract.

BuzzCat · Post #16 » by **BuzzCat** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:19 pm

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Post #17 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:39 pm

Ouch that sucks.

JMAC3 · Post #18 » by **JMAC3** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:22 am

I think Payne will be a good player, but I am not sure he is gonna be that much better than Kemba. I look at him as a Jeff Teague kind of guy. I would say Kemba is probably the 15th best Pg in the league and Teague is the 11th or so... Does not really seem smart considering Kemba contract and he is leader of the team.

Lwcasu · Post #19 » by **Lwcasu** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:59 am

Walker has the ability to turn it around, as we've seen with his incredible stretches of superstar level player, but Payne is by far my favorite guard in our range.

DY_nasty · Post #20 » by **DY_nasty** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:15 am

Lwcasu wrote:Walker has the ability to turn it around, as we've seen with his incredible stretches of superstar level player, but Payne is by far my favorite guard in our range.

I'd be happier with Walker if he were a consistent top 12 pg instead of balling out 1 month out of the year and being wildly sporadic for the rest of the season. I like Payne (not his shot though. ew), but more than anything, I don't want to see the team draft 'around' Kemba again.