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Need a solid bounce back performance to put that GSW loss behind us. Mirotic is still in the starting lineup for CHI, and I still hope that Cliff slips Frank in with the starters because I don't really want to watch him get pushed around by Gibson in the second unit.

Would love to see a Kemba - Batum - Marv - Frank - Cody starting lineup. Let Hansbrough and Hawes battle with Gibson and Noah in the second unit.

Marv checks Butler, Batum checks Snell, Frank can handle Mirotic and Cody matches up well with Gasol.

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I like your suggested starting lineup. I was trying to think of ways to keep PJ out of the rotation in the last game thread but I missed the most elegant solution, which is just moving Marv to SF and starting Frank. It keeps Lamb as the go to scorer on the second unit and completely removes PJ from the rotation. Tyler/Hawes frontcourt on the second unit could get ugly on offense, but its probably our best option.

Yeah I like that lineup too. At first I hated starting PJ, then I got on board with the rationale of having a defensive wing, but then I remembered that PJ just isn't that. Cody and Frank complement each other, just as Hawes and Hansbrough do. I know UConn and Lin fans wanna see their respective Jeremy's take the starting 2 role, but I really think the team functions best with those two coming off the bench.

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I'm fine with starting PJ if he can play defense. If he's getting roasted like he was last night, it just doesn't make sense.

My solution is more because we have better depth in our bigs, and I think Frank's contributions on both ends offset whatever harm we'll have in allowing Marv to play PJ's role defensively.

Gasol has been playing extremely well

i don't think coach will change his lineup, particularly PJ is going to bang with butler

BlackOutBuzz wrote:Yeah I like that lineup too. At first I hated starting PJ, then I got on board with the rationale of having a defensive wing, but then I remembered that PJ just isn't that. Cody and Frank complement each other, just as Hawes and Hansbrough do. I know UConn and Lin fans wanna see their respective Jeremy's take the starting 2 role, but I really think the team functions best with those two coming off the bench.

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the best solution would be to start both Jeremy's and let Kemba take all the shots he want as the 6th man. that would satisfy both fan groups and make best use of all three players, and the 1st unit as a whole

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BlackOutBuzz wrote:Yeah I like that lineup too. At first I hated starting PJ, then I got on board with the rationale of having a defensive wing, but then I remembered that PJ just isn't that. Cody and Frank complement each other, just as Hawes and Hansbrough do. I know UConn and Lin fans wanna see their respective Jeremy's take the starting 2 role, but I really think the team functions best with those two coming off the bench.

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the best solution would be to start both Jeremy's and let Kemba take all the shots he want as the 6th man. that would satisfy both fan groups and make best use of all three players, and the 1st unit as a whole

That sound like a plan. Just bricking shots after shots, no ball movement, black hole. Nope, I am not referring to Kobe. Watching Kemba play as late has been nothing short of ugly. 40 mpg, be the first option, yet has no control what he is doing.

I think coach should make Batum as 1st option. He does everything and getting everyone involve.

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BlackOutBuzz wrote:Yeah I like that lineup too. At first I hated starting PJ, then I got on board with the rationale of having a defensive wing, but then I remembered that PJ just isn't that. Cody and Frank complement each other, just as Hawes and Hansbrough do. I know UConn and Lin fans wanna see their respective Jeremy's take the starting 2 role, but I really think the team functions best with those two coming off the bench.

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the best solution would be to start both Jeremy's and let Kemba take all the shots he want as the 6th man. that would satisfy both fan groups and make best use of all three players, and the 1st unit as a whole

You're seriously underestimating the Kemba fan group.

The best starting team to satisfy fan groups is Kemba, Lin, lamb, frank and Zeller.

Have batum, pj, Marv, psycho t and Hawkes backing up.

Frank to starting lineup for 5-6 minutes is a good idea and maybe some in 2nd unit as well. PJ can play sparingly. Lin/Lamb stay in the 2nd unit but play more, Kemba less in 2nd unit with them. Batum continues to be in both. More Psycho T on 2nd unit may actually work well if he can PnR with Lin and stay out of foul trouble. Hawes is just ugly, but sometimes he does something decent on the floor. Play a gritty game.

BlackOutBuzz wrote:Yeah I like that lineup too. At first I hated starting PJ, then I got on board with the rationale of having a defensive wing, but then I remembered that PJ just isn't that. Cody and Frank complement each other, just as Hawes and Hansbrough do. I know UConn and Lin fans wanna see their respective Jeremy's take the starting 2 role, but I really think the team functions best with those two coming off the bench.

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Im a UCONN fan and I Lamb staying exactly where he is. I like his roll and that's what's best for the team. I root for the Hornets not Uconn guys. Please don't bunch us in with the Lin fan base that's a low blow.

tyusedney wrote:the best solution would be to start both Jeremy's and let Kemba take all the shots he want as the 6th man. that would satisfy both fan groups and make best use of all three players, and the 1st unit as a whole

cw3k wrote:That sound like a plan. Just bricking shots after shots, no ball movement, black hole. Nope, I am not referring to Kobe. Watching Kemba play as late has been nothing short of ugly. 40 mpg, be the first option, yet has no control what he is doing.

Per/36 stats

Kemba: 18.5 pts, 3.7 reb, 5.1 ast, 1.8 stl, .8 blk, 2.0 to, 44%fg, 37%3pt, 80%ft, 54%ts, 20.4 PER, .8 VORP, +2.9 BPM, .151 WS/48
Lin : 16.7 pts, 4.2 reb, 4.6 ast, 1.2 stl, .9 blk, 2.8 to, 41%fg, 31%3pt, 80%ft, 53%ts, 15.4 PER, .1 VORP, -.7 BPM, .09 WS/48

Kemba is better and its not even that close at this point. Deal with it. You guys have been waiting for weeks for Kemba to have a bad game so you could jump on your Lin is better narrative, but even after a 2-16 game he has performed significantly better than Lin. So, sorry you guys are wrong and your hero has been thoroughly outplayed, but please give this nonsense a rest. Try joining the rest of us in reality.

Idk I can't see Marvin being able to guard jimmy butler whatsoever. Too slow id keep pj on him for now.


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tyusedney wrote:the best solution would be to start both Jeremy's and let Kemba take all the shots he want as the 6th man. that would satisfy both fan groups and make best use of all three players, and the 1st unit as a whole

cw3k wrote:That sound like a plan. Just bricking shots after shots, no ball movement, black hole. Nope, I am not referring to Kobe. Watching Kemba play as late has been nothing short of ugly. 40 mpg, be the first option, yet has no control what he is doing.

Per/36 stats

Kemba: 18.5 pts, 3.7 reb, 5.1 ast, 1.8 stl, .8 blk, 2.0 to, 44%fg, 37%3pt, 80%ft, 54%ts, 20.4 PER, .8 VORP, +2.9 BPM, .151 WS/48
Lin : 16.7 pts, 4.2 reb, 4.6 ast, 1.2 stl, .9 blk, 2.8 to, 41%fg, 31%3pt, 80%ft, 53%ts, 15.4 PER, .1 VORP, -.7 BPM, .09 WS/48

Kemba is better and its not even that close at this point. Deal with it. You guys have been waiting for weeks for Kemba to have a bad game so you could jump on your Lin is better narrative, but even after a 2-16 game he has performed significantly better than Lin. So, sorry you guys are wrong and your hero has been thoroughly outplayed, but please give this nonsense a rest. Try joining the rest of us in reality.

I'm not a lin fan, and I agree with your statement that Kemba has been better this season. I just am not sold on Kemba like you guys are yet, he has had stretches every season, were he looked fantastic and then goes back to being the inefficient chucker he's always been. I have no qualms with Kemba overall this season just hope that little 10 game explosion was not a blip per usual.



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Sauce_Castillo wrote:

Braggins wrote:

tyusedney wrote:the best solution would be to start both Jeremy's and let Kemba take all the shots he want as the 6th man. that would satisfy both fan groups and make best use of all three players, and the 1st unit as a whole

cw3k wrote:That sound like a plan. Just bricking shots after shots, no ball movement, black hole. Nope, I am not referring to Kobe. Watching Kemba play as late has been nothing short of ugly. 40 mpg, be the first option, yet has no control what he is doing.

Per/36 stats

Kemba: 18.5 pts, 3.7 reb, 5.1 ast, 1.8 stl, .8 blk, 2.0 to, 44%fg, 37%3pt, 80%ft, 54%ts, 20.4 PER, .8 VORP, +2.9 BPM, .151 WS/48
Lin : 16.7 pts, 4.2 reb, 4.6 ast, 1.2 stl, .9 blk, 2.8 to, 41%fg, 31%3pt, 80%ft, 53%ts, 15.4 PER, .1 VORP, -.7 BPM, .09 WS/48

Kemba is better and its not even that close at this point. Deal with it. You guys have been waiting for weeks for Kemba to have a bad game so you could jump on your Lin is better narrative, but even after a 2-16 game he has performed significantly better than Lin. So, sorry you guys are wrong and your hero has been thoroughly outplayed, but please give this nonsense a rest. Try joining the rest of us in reality.

I'm not a lin fan, and I agree with your statement that Kemba has been better this season. I just am not sold on Kemba like you guys are yet, he has had stretches every season, were he looked fantastic and then goes back to being the inefficient chucker he's always been. I have no qualms with Kemba overall this season just hope that little 10 game explosion was not a blip per usual.



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I wouldn't say I'm really sold. I believe in Kemba and think he will continue to change his game for the better, but as of now he is still at least partially unproven for the exact reason you stated. He has to put it together for an entire season, but so far he does seem much more consistent. I think the much more talented roster he is playing with this season has helped him tremendously.

The competition isn't exactly analogous. Al, PJ, and Kemba play the most minutes against starters. Hawes almost never vs starters. Lin, Lamb, Frank, and Cody are all clustered playing more v backups then starters.

I do think the Kemba and Lin discussions are tired since Lin is pg in name only, at least on offense. Kemba is getting more PT for a couple reasons and in part because I think Clifford has lost faith in Lin the PG. With Lamb starting the second half and PJ only playing a few minutes vs the Warriors it'll be interesting if Roberts gets more run again over PJ.

Estimated minutes against bench and starters:

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Braggins wrote:

Sauce_Castillo wrote:

Braggins wrote:

Per/36 stats

Kemba: 18.5 pts, 3.7 reb, 5.1 ast, 1.8 stl, .8 blk, 2.0 to, 44%fg, 37%3pt, 80%ft, 54%ts, 20.4 PER, .8 VORP, +2.9 BPM, .151 WS/48
Lin : 16.7 pts, 4.2 reb, 4.6 ast, 1.2 stl, .9 blk, 2.8 to, 41%fg, 31%3pt, 80%ft, 53%ts, 15.4 PER, .1 VORP, -.7 BPM, .09 WS/48

Kemba is better and its not even that close at this point. Deal with it. You guys have been waiting for weeks for Kemba to have a bad game so you could jump on your Lin is better narrative, but even after a 2-16 game he has performed significantly better than Lin. So, sorry you guys are wrong and your hero has been thoroughly outplayed, but please give this nonsense a rest. Try joining the rest of us in reality.

I'm not a lin fan, and I agree with your statement that Kemba has been better this season. I just am not sold on Kemba like you guys are yet, he has had stretches every season, were he looked fantastic and then goes back to being the inefficient chucker he's always been. I have no qualms with Kemba overall this season just hope that little 10 game explosion was not a blip per usual.



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I wouldn't say I'm really sold. I believe in Kemba and think he will continue to change his game for the better, but as of now he is still at least partially unproven for the exact reason you stated. He has to put it together for an entire season, but so far he does seem much more consistent. I think the much more talented roster he is playing with this season has helped him tremendously.

The problem with Kemba is like I stated. He is not getting his team involve. He should not shoot the ball every time he gets his hand on it. He is the first option, he will get plenty of opportunities to pad his stats. There is no reason to chuck it up. He should get his teammate involve. Batum shouldn't be the one with the most assist.

Beside, the team was doing great and winning games with ball movement. No reason change it to hero ball.

I'm just preaching good basketball.

cw3k wrote:

Braggins wrote:

Sauce_Castillo wrote:
I'm not a lin fan, and I agree with your statement that Kemba has been better this season. I just am not sold on Kemba like you guys are yet, he has had stretches every season, were he looked fantastic and then goes back to being the inefficient chucker he's always been. I have no qualms with Kemba overall this season just hope that little 10 game explosion was not a blip per usual.



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I wouldn't say I'm really sold. I believe in Kemba and think he will continue to change his game for the better, but as of now he is still at least partially unproven for the exact reason you stated. He has to put it together for an entire season, but so far he does seem much more consistent. I think the much more talented roster he is playing with this season has helped him tremendously.

The problem with Kemba is like I stated. He is not getting his team involve. He should not shoot the ball every time he gets his hand on it. He is the first option, he will get plenty of opportunities to pad his stats. There is no reason to chuck it up. He should get his teammate involve. Batum shouldn't be the one with the most assist.

Beside, the team was doing great and winning games with ball movement. No reason change it to hero ball.

I'm just preaching good basketball.

He has a higher assist % than Lin. His touches lead to assists at a higher rate than Lin's do... period... He also is averaging more assists per game, per 36 minutes, per 100 possessions, and has a higher assist/to ratio. You are delusional. I'm sorry.

We aren't changing our game plan to hero ball. Stop.

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tyusedney wrote:the best solution would be to start both Jeremy's and let Kemba take all the shots he want as the 6th man. that would satisfy both fan groups and make best use of all three players, and the 1st unit as a whole

cw3k wrote:That sound like a plan. Just bricking shots after shots, no ball movement, black hole. Nope, I am not referring to Kobe. Watching Kemba play as late has been nothing short of ugly. 40 mpg, be the first option, yet has no control what he is doing.

Per/36 stats

Kemba: 18.5 pts, 3.7 reb, 5.1 ast, 1.8 stl, .8 blk, 2.0 to, 44%fg, 37%3pt, 80%ft, 54%ts, 20.4 PER, .8 VORP, +2.9 BPM, .151 WS/48
Lin : 16.7 pts, 4.2 reb, 4.6 ast, 1.2 stl, .9 blk, 2.8 to, 41%fg, 31%3pt, 80%ft, 53%ts, 15.4 PER, .1 VORP, -.7 BPM, .09 WS/48

Kemba is better and its not even that close at this point. Deal with it. You guys have been waiting for weeks for Kemba to have a bad game so you could jump on your Lin is better narrative, but even after a 2-16 game he has performed significantly better than Lin. So, sorry you guys are wrong and your hero has been thoroughly outplayed, but please give this nonsense a rest. Try joining the rest of us in reality.

Exactly. I'm a Lin fan but this is ridiculous. Kemba is doing better in most stats, maybe not on the defensive end as much, but on the offensive end. But even on the defensive end, rebounds, blocks, steals, maybe Lin only leads in blocks. And Kemba is miles better in ball handling and setting the offense up. Lin still stumbles with his dribble under pressure.

Lin and Kemba are team mates and like each other. They both contribute. Lin is doing OK directing the bench to keep leads or get the team back. Lin will do more when he gets more acclimated with the team and the chances present themselves like in the OT with the Kings game. Just hang tight and enjoy that he's on a winning team that's fun to watch vs. the joke that is the Lakers now.

Braggins is pretty much closing the book on that one.

So apparently Mirotic had a concussion in CHI's last game so it's unlikely he'll play tomorrow.