Grade our offseason

[JDR720]

we are probably done making moves this offseason. so how do you think we did?

resigned Nic 5/120
resigned Marv 4/54.5
signed Sessions 2/12.5
signed Hibbert 1/5
signed Roberts 1/1.5
traded #22 for Marco

[MPM]

Solid C. Nic, Marv B+, Sessions C, Hibbert C, Roberts C-, Marco D-

[BatumtheGlue]

C. If they didn't trade that 22nd pick for the Italian Stallion i would give them B.

[bravor]

B for me (i would say B-, i still think Batum's contract is too heavy even if first year is at the price i had in mind).

The team keeps some flexibility to make some adjustments and move during 2017 (either through trades before the deadline , draft (?) or during next offseason). Even if the lowered expectations for next salary cap is a bad news for Charlotte.

For people saying the Hornets need a star player to contend, the star player is MKG. The missing piece is a game changing center. My prefered choice was Adams, but with Durant leaving, it's safe to say that OKC will either keep him or look for a good return if they decide to trade him - and that won't be Charlotte.
Which leads me to opt for trading for a rookie with good upside profile that fits the system - among all players, Noel is probably one of the best choice - & team chemistry and extend Cody to have a 2 above average centers to throw at any opponent (+ Kaminsky in case).
Minnesota had to be very patient to land KAT (and there are numerous franchise where the draft did not pay), so i think losing Cody would be a major stepback if the Hornets don't sign a true worthy upgrade for the years to come.


By the way, is it posible for a mod to 'sticky' a post that sums up draft picks for the Hornets ? On some sites Hornets are supposed to have a 1st round pick, on others not.

[BigSlam]

Grade = B
Great contracts to Bats, Marv, Doc and Noodles.


Trading #22, not getting back into the 2nd round to snap up Brogdon and Hammons and rostering a horrible SL team brought it down from what would have been an A.


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[Braggins]

Batum: B+
Marv: B+
Sessions: C+
Roberts: C
Hibbert: D+
Belinelli: F

[BeesWax]

Gave it a C and it is closer to a D than a B for me. Resigning Marv and Bats on team friendly deals were good moves all the other signings were just guys. Sessions was the best of the group and I would give it a C while the others were C- or D level pickups. Trading for Marco was a major F and really kills the positives that would have been there this offseason.

[chabber]

B

+With half the team off the books I think they did a good job overall.
+Our two main targets took discounts.
+Cheap replacements who have the ability to limit the drop off from last year.

-Still need better depth,
-Glaring lack of physicality from bench on the wings.

Regret - Wish we could have kept Lee but I'm not knocking them for that.

[LofJ]

Even though I suspect we'll sign a wing before we're finished I'll go ahead and give our offseason a solid B.

We knocked the Batum and Marvin contracts out of the park. A+ on that end.

And even though we missed on our preferred targets of Mahinmi and Moore we didn't panic and signed Hibbert and Sessions to team friendly deals. If we had moved Hawes or Lamb to get one of those guys I'd give us another A+ here, but since we didn't it's a B grade on these signings.

The draft on the other hand was lazy work on the part of our front office. They didn't even attempt to participate. I'm not angry that we traded our pick for Bellineli (who is going to make a lot of people on this board look stupid), I'm mad that we didn't even attempt to get back into the 2nd round. There are always a few good players to be found in the latter part of the draft, we didn't even try. I'll give us a D - here, the only reason it's a passing grade is because this was a poor draft.

[yosemiteben]

Ditto with what LofJ said.

[_tijo_]

Have no idea why everyone is so down on Marco for the 22. Seriously, it was the 22nd pick. With our drafting record, we weren't getting a good player anyway. Marco actually has shown to be at the very least servicable NBA player. Heck he might be better than Frank, who we got with the 9th pick.

Oh you're mad at the timing? I think that Cho had maybe 8 players he wanted in this draft. Those 8 players weren't dropping to 22.

Oh, you think we should have at least got rid of a salary? He probably tried but no one would bite. Everyone wanted cap space for free agency, and they aren't giving that up for the 22nd pick. Seriously, it was the 22nd pick.

Oh, because we took back salary? Who were we going to fit in the 6mil slot? Who was coming here? Bring back Lin? He wanted to start. Bring back Lee? He got freaking 48mil from the NYK. Bring back Al? Please, you guys would complain more about that! We got a Lee replacement for 6mil, which is pretty good in this market.

Marco will be better for us than Malachi Richardson will be for the Kings. Mark it down.

[Kswiss]

I gave the offseason a D, mainly because it appears to me we got a lot worse overall since last season, but honestly I'm not sure much of it could have been avoided. Lee and Lin, and Al we probably had no chance to re-sign based on the bargains we got last season. Marvin for 4 years kinda scares me because I don't know if his game will age too well given his physical dimensions. Loved his game last season though, but I'm not sure we're gonna like that contract in two years. Same goes for Batum, but with guys like Harrison Barnes getting max deals I get it. I would have liked to see us make a play at a big-time center. Why we gave away Biyombo for nothing will always be a mystery to me. Having said all this, I'm not sure we had any better options than what we got, other than the Bellinelli trade of course. So overall result on the team, id say D given that I don't think we are playoff team anymore but execution probably more in the B range.

[HornetJail]

We retained Batum and Marvin on quality contracts and we still have a capable bench. That's what matters. We didn't get rid of our useless players on unnecessary contracts (looking at you Spencer Hawes) but that's what matters. There aren't four teams that are definitively better than us, and I think we'll cross 50 wins for the first time since I've been a fan of the team. Does our bench cost way more and defend way less than I'd like it to? Absolutely, but that's basically my only issue. I'm content and can't give anything less than a B-. I'm in a good mood today so I'll go B+.

[amcoolio]

So far, D. We don't have any flexibility next summer to improve, and taking on Marco complicated matters. The front office is relying heavily on MKG's health and Cody and Frank's growth, and if it doesn't happen, then 1st round fodder yet again.

[Joest2003]

Was between a B and C but I went with B. Signed Batum and got Marvin to come back for a good price. I was hoping for Noah or Howard so I cant vote A.

[Cheeze]

Geez. Shoot me now.

Grade last offseason. Maybe that would have some merit.

[rallydurham]

Hard to justify better than a C. The marvin signing was pretty good value and the batum deal is questionable but we had to. The rest is absolutely terrible

[bws94]

I think quite good, B at least. Hornets were bound to lose some key FAs and they had to be replaced. Got back Bats at less than max and Marv. Lost a starter and solid defensive player, and two "auxiliary" starters and got good value spots for them. The failure part is the Lamb and Hawes and I'm not big on MB. Key is MKG's health and if the team can have guys step up if and when injuries come about. Last year's success had a lot to do with handling MKG out, Al out, and Batum out or less than himself in about 20 or so games.

Bats will be in year 2 of his role he did so well last year, Kemba hopefully continues his near or all-star level of play, and hope Marv also has another big season. Then Frank will develop more as the bench's #1 option and we roll with that. Sessions should do well as 2nd team guard and 3rd facilitator at times on the floor.

[Emhoward]

1. Have no idea why everyone is so down on Marco for the 22. 2. Seriously, it was the 22nd pick. With our drafting record, we weren't getting a good player anyway. Marco actually has shown to be at the very least servicable NBA player. Heck he might be better than Frank, who we got with the 9th pick.

Oh you're mad at the timing? I think that Cho had maybe 8 players he wanted in this draft. 3. Those 8 players weren't dropping to 22.

4. Oh, you think we should have at least got rid of a salary? He probably tried but no one would bite. Everyone wanted cap space for free agency, and they aren't giving that up for the 22nd pick. 5. Seriously, it was the 22nd pick.

Oh, because we took back salary? Who were we going to fit in the 6mil slot? Who was coming here? Bring back Lin? He wanted to start. Bring back Lee? He got freaking 48mil from the NYK. Bring back Al? Please, you guys would complain more about that! We got a Lee replacement for 6mil, which is pretty good in this market.

[u 6. ]Marco will be better for us than Malachi Richardson will be for the Kings[/u]. Mark it down.

1. Upside. Marco has none, 22 probably won't either, but we know for a fact Marco doesn't.

2. So because Cho has not fared well at drafting we should just accept that and trade all our picks to the highest bidder? If a GM sucks at drafting you don't say, "well aww shucks, trade the picks". No. You get a GM good at drafting. If a girl is bad in bed you don't say, "oh well, at least she can cook" no you get a girl that is good and bed and can cook. Why must we settle for less?

3. We don't know this. He traded the pick pre-draft. He didn't know what could happen. Anybody see Maker going top ten?

4. Then don't make the trade.

5. A lot of great players have been drafted post 22. And they'll be a couple this year as well.

6. Marco will be better for us next year than any rookie will be for their team outside of Simmons, next year. Marco will probably be better than Brandon Ingram next year. Let's call up the Lakers and see if they'll trade Marco for Ingram. Think they'll go for it? Marco being better than a rookie doesn't make it a good trade. You have the rookie 10+ years. That rookie could turn into an all-pro, or an all star, or a regular starter, or a rotation player, or an end of the bencher, or be caught with three hookers and enough crack to get the entire city high. We don't know. And I wanted to find out.

I hope I don't come off too combative. I actually think Marco will be good for us as a player next year. Just not good enough to justify the trade.

[Emhoward]

As for the OP, I'll give us a C+

B+ for Marvin. Great deal, would be an A except for the fact that everyone and their mom knows that Marvin had the best year of his career last year and this year won't be as good. But that's fine. Just don't fall off a cliff.

B for Batum. An auto B because it wasn't the max. It's not an A because I pretty sure by the 4th and 5th year of the deal we'll be trying to get rid of him. But as long as he performs how he did this year during the first 3 years of the deal, I'm happy.

C for Sessions. Lin replacement, does mostly the same things just not as well. Also every once in a while Lin could win you a game by himself. Won't that from Sessions.

C for Hibbert. Could be worse.

D- for Bellinelli. See previous post.