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I think its time we had a shoulda thread.
post here things like, We shoulda drafted so and so. we shoulda signed so and so
then when what the team does instead sucks you can be on record.
post your ideas for posterity
Like quite a few of us last spring when we traded our first for Belinelli said, We shoulda kept our first and drafted Malcolm Brogdon.
Or alternatively, what Fats posted, we shoulda bought a 2nd and drafted Brogdon. Then we'd have Belinelli and Malcolm.

BTW Brogdon is 3pt shooting 42% vs Belinelli's 40%, avgs 4+ apg is getting paid minimum for 3 years, would have been an awesome fit next to Kemba, wanted to be here, and can do this . . .

(1) We never should have signed Al Jefferson
(2) We should have extended Biz before the 2015 deadline.
(3) We should have negotiated the Belinelli trade better and/or found a way to acquire Brogdon.
(4) We never should have signed Al Jefferson.

I thought the issue with Brogdon was the red flag about his health? Can't remember what it was...an ankle or foot issue or something?

Between Turner and Brogdon, so far injury risks have not really been very risky.

1. We should have drafted Klay Thompson or Kawhi over Bismack.

2. We should have drafted Drummond or Lillard over MKG.

3. We should have drafted Booker or Winslow over Frank.

4. We should have fired Cho and Clifford at the end of the '14/'15. season.




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yosemiteben wrote:I thought the issue with Brogdon was the red flag about his health? Can't remember what it was...an ankle or foot issue or something?

Between Turner and Brogdon, so far injury risks have not really been very risky.

Because he is too old for a rookie and then we traded our 1st rd pick for a 30 years old veteran, lol.

BatumtheGlue wrote:

yosemiteben wrote:I thought the issue with Brogdon was the red flag about his health? Can't remember what it was...an ankle or foot issue or something?

Between Turner and Brogdon, so far injury risks have not really been very risky.

Because he is too old for a rookie and then we traded our 1st rd pick for a 30 years old veteran, lol.

Nah, it was more than that. I wanted Brogdon pre-draft (technically I favored Zubac, but I wanted us to find away to get Brogdon) but I definitely remember a pre-draft report that came out where his stock took a hit because there was some sort of chronic injury issue.

I not really a fan of woulda coulda but MKG over Drummond always burns me bad. I remember they did that inside the draft and was like they didnt want Drummond because they had Biz. ouch

Hindsight is 20/20, but here goes:

2011: Kemba at 7 and Kawhi at 9
2012: Drummond at 2 and Draymond Green at 31
2013: Antetokounmpo at whatever pick we end up with that year (he would've at least been in our range with the core we'd have assembled)

Kemba/Giannis/Kawhi/Green/Drummond

After that, who gives a damn. That's a contender. Give Clifford that team with a competent bench of shooters and we're already winning 55-60 games a year.

But really, you can make one of these scenarios for every team in the league.

yosemiteben wrote:

BatumtheGlue wrote:

yosemiteben wrote:I thought the issue with Brogdon was the red flag about his health? Can't remember what it was...an ankle or foot issue or something?

Between Turner and Brogdon, so far injury risks have not really been very risky.

Because he is too old for a rookie and then we traded our 1st rd pick for a 30 years old veteran, lol.

Nah, it was more than that. I wanted Brogdon pre-draft (technically I favored Zubac, but I wanted us to find away to get Brogdon) but I definitely remember a pre-draft report that came out where his stock took a hit because there was some sort of chronic injury issue.

That's right that's why he fell to second round. I still remember he was killing it at pre-draft.

Spencer Percy: Source: Malcolm Brogdon has a right hand issue that “all teams know about”. This will affect his stock & likely lock him in as 2nd-rounder. 7 months ago – via Twitter QCHspencer

Spencer Percy: Source: injury concerns for all three exist, but Malcolm Brogdon, Caris LeVert & Denzel Valentine high on #Hornets big board for tonight. 7 months ago – via Twitter QCHspencer

BTW I still think we could have kept 22 and got Belinelli for a second or something less than a 1st; Beli was one of the worst producers in the league last yr, surely the Kings wanted to dump him

We shouldn't have drafted Frank. It was a stupid choice at the time and it doesn't really look a whole lot better today.

Now don't get me wrong, Frank's ours now and I'm rooting for him hard. He is a lot quicker than I thought, which is nice, and he seems to have a good sense of humor in ads but aside from that he's been average or worse. His deep shooting still hasn't blossomed, he plays scared way too much alligator-arming shots in the paint or passing it in traffic to an even less open teammate, he over-passes when he's staring down a wide-open trey, and his defense is never going to be the reason he sticks in the NBA. Of all our shaky lottery picks he looks easily the worst. Even worse than Biz. At least Biz has one-dimensional value in this league, what is Frank's one dimension? Shooting 25% from deep? Zeller and MKG are flawed but useful players. Frank just looks flawed.

I hope like hell he starts hitting threes at a high rate next year, but honestly what is his ceiling? A future backup C to supplant Hawes with better shooting and worse passing? Because right now Hawes almost always seems to make a more positive impact than Frank out there, and he's not exactly crushing it as a backup C.

Justice Winslow was the obvious guy we passed on. He overlaps with MKG but at least he's clearly a positive player, we could easily trade him for a heck of a lot more than whatever Frank's value is these days. I never believed Ainge offered as many picks as he claimed, he probably was trying to give us a late 1st and the Memphis pick for 9, but even if we discount the idea of cashing out of the lottery for Boston's picks there were other better prospects. Booker would look pretty sweet coming off the bench for this team, and wasn't Turner in that draft too? We goofed picking Frank, or it looks that way so far.

I know Frank has put up plenty of bad games before the nose issue, but it really seems like he is affected by that right now. He was putting some nice games together recently and playing with a lot of confidence. Ever since his nose was busted hes been playing extremely timid. I'm not going to get too upset with him right now. The jury is still out on Frank as far as I'm concerned.

The draft is such a crapshoot. I do wish that the team had drafted better, but I don't think that it's worthwhile to do "what if" too deeply there.

My biggest regrets for the team.
1. Not working on a sign & trade for Hayward when they went after him.
2. Not keeping Wallace for at least one more year.
3. Not drafting better overall, but in particular missing out on Chris Paul.

I'm not sure that we will ever know what Boston really offered for that #9 pick, but do kind of wish that the team had done that deal if it wasn't too bad. I like Frank, and thing that there is a good chance that he'll end up being pretty good, so I'm not really upset about it. But I look at the team's depth and keep thinking that a few more young bodies would be really nice now.

Written without taking into context those particular drafts (like how weak Zeller's draft was) or any bad luck (like the Hornets missing out on Cousins):

2011's Horncats own pick turned into their one home grown All-Star in Kemba Walker. That's just great. Since then you've had a 2nd, one 4th and two 9th picks.

And the .500 team's success on offense is basically relying on Kemba keeping them afloat.

Given the position of those draft picks, that's a sub-optimal result.

Signing Cory Higgins when Jeremy Lin was available.

Probably the best thing that happened to Lin as he was able to go New York and create Linsanity

I could select players we passed on in the draft but what we are neglecting to look at is would these players be where they are today if we selected them? Our player development isn't great. We don't seem to have patience in this area but would rather have instant gratification.

That said , my wish is we didn't bail on the rebuild a year early and sign Big Al. I didn't mind Al, but that really effected our rebuild IMHO.

My Woulda Coulda Shoulda in brief: The Process

What happened: Process abandonment for the emergency treadmill.

LamarMatic7 wrote:Written without taking into context those particular drafts (like how weak Zeller's draft was) or any bad luck (like the Hornets missing out on Cousins):

2011's Horncats own pick turned into their one home grown All-Star in Kemba Walker. That's just great. Since then you've had a 2nd, one 4th and two 9th picks.

And the .500 team's success on offense is basically relying on Kemba keeping them afloat.

Given the position of those draft picks, that's a sub-optimal result.

****. I meant Anthony Davis. Weird mistake on my part.

A minor one

We should have kept Dwight Powell

Kahwhi Leonard is the only real difference maker that is being mentioned in this thread. The rest of the players like Drummond\Lillard\Greek Freak (I don' t think anyone has the stones to draft an unknown 2nd division greek player at #4 though I do remember he had some fringe support on this board.) are on fellow treadmill teams scrapping for bottom half playoff seeds. The truth is we should have never signed AL Jefferson and kept the tank going. Everyone knew that MKG and Zeller weren't going to be superstars and its hard not be jealous of what Philly has going on. (I've always been a Hinkie supporter even when they were terrible.)