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Post#1541 » by 316Hornets » Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:05 pm

So, Butler is for sure getting traded. We've looked into him last time he was available so there has to at least be some sort of interest from MJ. A 1 year rental during this ASG year could be big and maybe MJ will use this year to showcase the team.

Minnesota has said that Dieng has to be included so:

Butler & Dieng

for

Lamb, Marv, MKG & 2020 1st


Our bench would be pretty horrid though.
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Post#1542 » by LofJ » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:11 pm

We can't take back Dieng without sending Biz somewhere. If the Wolves insist on including him it pretty much takes us out of the running.
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Post#1543 » by Diop » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:01 pm

Apparently thibs isn't a fan of youth, I wonder if he would be interested in Batum
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Post#1544 » by Bassman » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:13 am

I love Butler but no way we get him in a trade. Also no way he’d stay here, which is why we won’t pursue. Lastly other team interested with (likely) a better package.
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Post#1545 » by _tijo_ » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:52 pm

316Hornets wrote:So, Butler is for sure getting traded. We've looked into him last time he was available so there has to at least be some sort of interest from MJ. A 1 year rental during this ASG year could be big and maybe MJ will use this year to showcase the team.

Minnesota has said that Dieng has to be included so:

Butler & Dieng

for

Lamb, Marv, MKG & 2020 1st


Our bench would be pretty horrid though.


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Post#1546 » by BeesWax » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:26 pm

Bassman wrote:Would love Butler but he wants to be in LA, with the Clips no less. I get increasingly bummed ☹️ on how key players are star struck by big markets, big branding and celebrity destinations. Makes me appreciate Kemba’s desire to be here all the more.

I think he wants to pair with another star that would fit well with him. The teams he listed are there because they have a spot to sign someone to come help. The attraction here would be he would already have that person in Kemba and would be able to resign both because of Bird rights.
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Post#1547 » by Teal25 » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:52 pm

The most Charlotte should give up for Butler is
MKG/Lamb/Marvin/2 1sts for Butler and Dieng. I posted this on the Wolves board and a lot of negative responses or wanting Bridges. Don’t know what they expect to get. Miami and Houston are the front runners right now and their assets suck. Heat weren’t ever giving up Bam and multiple sources saying Richardson is the deal breaker. Houston 1sts are pretty worthless.

If the Raptors didn’t have to give up OG for Kawhi I doubt any team will give up a promising young player for Butler.
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Post#1548 » by LofJ » Mon Oct 1, 2018 12:43 am

What the best realistic return that Marvin, Frank, and a lottery protected 1st could net the team in a trade?
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Post#1549 » by Bassman » Mon Oct 1, 2018 1:32 am

LofJ wrote:What the best realistic return that Marvin, Frank, and a lottery protected 1st could net the team in a trade?


Equivalent, average trash with a longer contract. Nobody is dealing before the opening unless it’s Butler moved in a bad deal for the acquiring team (Clippers anyone?).

Seriously we’d need a reserve-level 4 back who could at least press for minutes.
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Post#1550 » by LofJ » Mon Oct 1, 2018 2:06 am

Bassman wrote:
LofJ wrote:What the best realistic return that Marvin, Frank, and a lottery protected 1st could net the team in a trade?


Equivalent, average trash with a longer contract. Nobody is dealing before the opening unless it’s Butler moved in a bad deal for the acquiring team (Clippers anyone?).

Seriously we’d need a reserve-level 4 back who could at least press for minutes.


Would it be enough to get Jabari Parker?
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Post#1551 » by Braggins » Mon Oct 1, 2018 2:23 am

I wonder if Milwaukees front office would do something silly like trade us Brogdon for Frank and a 2nd rounder or two?
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Post#1552 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Oct 1, 2018 12:30 pm

What do we need long term? I think we need a young vet power forward. I also think we may have to wait for that and we have to dump some salary to make it happen. That PF is Tobias Harris. The Clippers 100% won't take back long term salary because it interferes with their quest for Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard.

The other option is Kevin Love. But he's not going to be effective long term with Monk and Miles.
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Post#1553 » by Diop » Tue Oct 2, 2018 10:37 am

If Utah decide they need another pf, I wonder if they would consider Marv for Burks whose expiring.

The salary would be helpful next year and Marv left a good impression when he left.

I prefer Marv to Frank but we need to cut salary
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Post#1554 » by LofJ » Tue Oct 2, 2018 1:00 pm

There are a ton of teams with cap space next summer and not everyone is going to be in the running to sign the big fish like Kawhi, Butler, or Durant (potentially). Once Butler is traded one or more of those teams will likely pivot to accumulating draft assets. We should be able to dump Marvin or Biz on one of the Nets, Clippers, Bulls, Mavericks, Suns, or Kings.
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Post#1555 » by LofJ » Wed Oct 3, 2018 1:52 pm

I think Jerry West is going to start selling off players fairly soon. If we start the conversation early I think we can either dump both Marvin and Biz for Gallinari + Boban + 2019 1st or we can move Marvin + 2019 1st for Tobias Harris. The later is tempting, but I think the former would be the smarter trade because we wouldn't have the cap space to re-sign Harris.

We would have plenty of wing depth, so we wouldn't have to rely on Gallinari playing heavy minutes. Additionally, having Gallinari the following season as well would be great because we're likely going to lose both Lamb and Frank, so we'd need someone to replace their offensive production. Our depth is going to take a hit either way, but I'd rather have Gallinari than Marvin and it makes no sense keeping Biz around at his salary if he's going to be the 3rd or 4th string center. With this trade we'd create breathing room to both give Kemba the money he's earned and still have some space under the luxury tax line to either bring back Tony Parker or sign someone else to similar money.
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Post#1556 » by Lwcasu » Wed Oct 3, 2018 7:32 pm

LofJ wrote:I think Jerry West is going to start selling off players fairly soon. If we start the conversation early I think we can either dump both Marvin and Biz for Gallinari + Boban + 2019 1st or we can move Marvin + 2019 1st for Tobias Harris. The later is tempting, but I think the former would be the smarter trade because we wouldn't have the cap space to re-sign Harris.

We would have plenty of wing depth, so we wouldn't have to rely on Gallinari playing heavy minutes. Additionally, having Gallinari the following season as well would be great because we're likely going to lose both Lamb and Frank, so we'd need someone to replace their offensive production. Our depth is going to take a hit either way, but I'd rather have Gallinari than Marvin and it makes no sense keeping Biz around at his salary if he's going to be the 3rd or 4th string center. With this trade we'd create breathing room to both give Kemba the money he's earned and still have some space under the luxury tax line to either bring back Tony Parker or sign someone else to similar money.


I'm trying to figure out why the Clippers would trade a 1st? Boban's contract goes 1 year and Gallinari's contract is 2 years. Marvin has a player option, I'm sure he'll take, so thats 2 years and Bismack Biyombo has a player option that will make his contract 2 years. I don't understand how we dump salary earlier, gain a 1st at the same time, and arguably get back the best player in the deal in Gallinari. It doesn't make since.
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Post#1557 » by LofJ » Wed Oct 3, 2018 9:01 pm

Lwcasu wrote:
LofJ wrote:I think Jerry West is going to start selling off players fairly soon. If we start the conversation early I think we can either dump both Marvin and Biz for Gallinari + Boban + 2019 1st or we can move Marvin + 2019 1st for Tobias Harris. The later is tempting, but I think the former would be the smarter trade because we wouldn't have the cap space to re-sign Harris.

We would have plenty of wing depth, so we wouldn't have to rely on Gallinari playing heavy minutes. Additionally, having Gallinari the following season as well would be great because we're likely going to lose both Lamb and Frank, so we'd need someone to replace their offensive production. Our depth is going to take a hit either way, but I'd rather have Gallinari than Marvin and it makes no sense keeping Biz around at his salary if he's going to be the 3rd or 4th string center. With this trade we'd create breathing room to both give Kemba the money he's earned and still have some space under the luxury tax line to either bring back Tony Parker or sign someone else to similar money.


I'm trying to figure out why the Clippers would trade a 1st? Boban's contract goes 1 year and Gallinari's contract is 2 years. Marvin has a player option, I'm sure he'll take, so thats 2 years and Bismack Biyombo has a player option that will make his contract 2 years. I don't understand how we dump salary earlier, gain a 1st at the same time, and arguably get back the best player in the deal in Gallinari. It doesn't make since.


I constructed that sentence terribly, we'd be giving up the 2019 1st to dump Marvin and Biz for Gallinari and Boban.
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Post#1558 » by BeesWax » Thu Oct 4, 2018 4:03 pm

LofJ wrote:
Lwcasu wrote:
LofJ wrote:I think Jerry West is going to start selling off players fairly soon. If we start the conversation early I think we can either dump both Marvin and Biz for Gallinari + Boban + 2019 1st or we can move Marvin + 2019 1st for Tobias Harris. The later is tempting, but I think the former would be the smarter trade because we wouldn't have the cap space to re-sign Harris.

We would have plenty of wing depth, so we wouldn't have to rely on Gallinari playing heavy minutes. Additionally, having Gallinari the following season as well would be great because we're likely going to lose both Lamb and Frank, so we'd need someone to replace their offensive production. Our depth is going to take a hit either way, but I'd rather have Gallinari than Marvin and it makes no sense keeping Biz around at his salary if he's going to be the 3rd or 4th string center. With this trade we'd create breathing room to both give Kemba the money he's earned and still have some space under the luxury tax line to either bring back Tony Parker or sign someone else to similar money.


I'm trying to figure out why the Clippers would trade a 1st? Boban's contract goes 1 year and Gallinari's contract is 2 years. Marvin has a player option, I'm sure he'll take, so thats 2 years and Bismack Biyombo has a player option that will make his contract 2 years. I don't understand how we dump salary earlier, gain a 1st at the same time, and arguably get back the best player in the deal in Gallinari. It doesn't make since.


I constructed that sentence terribly, we'd be giving up the 2019 1st to dump Marvin and Biz for Gallinari and Boban.

In that case I would want nothing to do with the first trade at all.
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Post#1559 » by MugzZo » Fri Oct 5, 2018 5:19 am

LofJ wrote:I think Jerry West is going to start selling off players fairly soon. If we start the conversation early I think we can either dump both Marvin and Biz for Gallinari + Boban + 2019 1st or we can move Marvin + 2019 1st for Tobias Harris. The later is tempting, but I think the former would be the smarter trade because we wouldn't have the cap space to re-sign Harris.

We would have plenty of wing depth, so we wouldn't have to rely on Gallinari playing heavy minutes. Additionally, having Gallinari the following season as well would be great because we're likely going to lose both Lamb and Frank, so we'd need someone to replace their offensive production. Our depth is going to take a hit either way, but I'd rather have Gallinari than Marvin and it makes no sense keeping Biz around at his salary if he's going to be the 3rd or 4th string center. With this trade we'd create breathing room to both give Kemba the money he's earned and still have some space under the luxury tax line to either bring back Tony Parker or sign someone else to similar money.
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