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The Josh Okogie Thread 

Post#1 » by Braggins » Sat May 19, 2018 2:50 am

Josh Okogie - (13th in Dean Demakis' big board)
19.6 years old
6'4.5" w/shoes
210lbs (5.2% fat)
7' wingspan
8'6" standing reach
Only 2 non bigs from the class measured with longer hands and 8 non bigs with wider hands

Sophomore averages -
18.2 ppg - 6.3 rpg - 2.5 apg - 1.8 spg - 1 bpg - 2.5 tov
42/38/82 shooting splits (4.2 3 attempts per game).

Demakis has him 13th on his big board, which is considerably higher than other places, and considers him potentially the best 3&D prospect in the draft*. He compared him to Marcus Smart with more 3 and less D.

* - https://deanondraft.com/2018/03/22/who-is-the-best-3-d-wing-in-the-draft/

combine athletic test

lane agility - 21st
shuttle run - 5th
3/4 sprint - 1st
standing vert - 33" - 4th
max vert - 42" - tie 1st


Josh Okogie | SG | Georgia Tech

The 19-year-old sophomore turned in an excellent combine performance across the board, shining in both scrimmages, measuring 6-4½, 211 pounds with a 7-0 wingspan while posting the top athletic composite score of any player to participate. Okogie's closest athletic testing comparison in recent years is Utah Jazz star Donovan Mitchell, and his sprint time ranks in the top 1 percent of all-time Combine results. With a physical profile somewhat similar to Norman Powell (much stronger at the same age), Okogie showcased his tremendous defensive versatility, checking up to four positions for stretches while tracking down 50-50 balls, attacking the rim in space and knocking down 2-of-4 open 3s.

Okogie, who is younger than some freshmen in this draft, still really lacks as a ball-handler in the half-court. His feel for the game is limited, regularly driving with his head down in traffic or pulling up for a contested 2 in transition. Some of that is a product of playing a go-to scoring role on an underwhelming Georgia Tech team, but his lack of offensive polish is his clear downside right now. With that said, his defensive versatility, toughness, athletic profile and shooting potential could help him sneak into the first- round conversation should he decide to stay in the draft.

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Post#2 » by fatlever » Sat May 19, 2018 5:06 am

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Post#3 » by yosemiteben » Sat May 19, 2018 1:11 pm

I could get behind taking this guy - young, great length, solid D, respectable shooting efficiency. Don't love the 1:1 ATO ratio.

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Post#4 » by Braggins » Sat May 19, 2018 5:14 pm

I really want to come out of this draft with SGA and Okogie.

They both have length to switch 1-3 and project to be good defenders. Okogie seems like he could be a defensive beast, or at the very least very good, and has offensive upside. He projects to at least be a good floor spacer who can also attack closeouts with simple drives, even if his overall offensive development isn't great. SGA is more offensive oriented and gives us a guy with lots of offensive skill and feel for the game. Both fit very well with Kemba, Monk, Lamb, and with each other.

We desperately need more guys with length, athleticism, youth, and two way potential, and our overall guard/wing rotation is super lackluster outside of Kemba and the potential of Monk/Lamb. If I'm the GM I'm trying to get rid of some of our bigs and adding young guys like SGA and Okogie.

Okogie seems like the kind of guy the Spurs would draft and then turn into a borderline all-star. Maybe Borrego will bring some of the magic of the Spurs development program. I get a similar feeling about Okogie to how I felt about Mitchell last year. They have a lot of similarities, especially physically, but are definitely different players and I certainly don't see the same offensive or general upside with Okogie that Mitchell has. However, Okogie seems to have more defensive upside and the tools to still potentially become a good offensive player.

I could see him rising substantially on draft boards by the time the draft rolls around. Most mocks have him 2nd round or late 1st, but I'd be surprised if he makes it past 20 and wouldn't be surprised if he goes late lottery. I would try to work something out to trade back into the first round to select him if possible (hopefully he doesn't rise too high). I'm not convinced he shouldn't actually be in play at 11 tbh, although I do think I slightly prefer SGA as of now and you never know who else could fall to 11.
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Post#5 » by DY_nasty » Sat May 19, 2018 9:14 pm

how is this guy better than bacon

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Post#6 » by yosemiteben » Sat May 19, 2018 9:19 pm

DY_nasty wrote:how is this guy better than bacon

honest question

Good question. Bacon was three years older than Okogie when he was drafted, so there's that, but from a skillset question not sure the difference. Don't think Bacon shot that high a percentage from three.
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Post#7 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Sat May 19, 2018 9:32 pm

Bacon's offense is still a work in progress. Okogie has better odds of turning into a two way player.

I like Bacon, but the jury is still out with him.
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Post#8 » by Braggins » Sat May 19, 2018 9:58 pm

DY_nasty wrote:how is this guy better than bacon

honest question

Signifantly more athletic, much better motor, better 3pt shooter and FT shooter, better defensive impact in college, better rebounder, better passer, better ast/to ratio, all around more productive at the same age.

Only advantage i see for Bacon is 1.5" in length, 10 lbs of frame, and maybe slightly better handle and mid range game.
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Post#9 » by DY_nasty » Sat May 19, 2018 10:53 pm

Braggins wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:how is this guy better than bacon

honest question

Signifantly more athletic, much better motor, better 3pt shooter and FT shooter, better defensive impact in college, better rebounder, better passer, better ast/to ratio, all around more productive at the same age.

Only advantage i see for Bacon is 1.5" in length, 10 lbs of frame, and maybe slightly better handle and mid range game.

more athletic based on what

i don't see the 'significantly' more athletic bit at all. with more upper body strength he'd be doing the exact same things as bacon imo...

not against him or anything but guys like him aren't rare by any means
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Post#10 » by Braggins » Sat May 19, 2018 11:16 pm

DY_nasty wrote:
Braggins wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:how is this guy better than bacon

honest question

Signifantly more athletic, much better motor, better 3pt shooter and FT shooter, better defensive impact in college, better rebounder, better passer, better ast/to ratio, all around more productive at the same age.

Only advantage i see for Bacon is 1.5" in length, 10 lbs of frame, and maybe slightly better handle and mid range game.

more athletic based on what

i don't see the 'significantly' more athletic bit at all. with more upper body strength he'd be doing the exact same things as bacon imo...

not against him or anything but guys like him aren't rare by any means

+3" standing vert
+6" max vert
Better lane agility, shuttle run, and 3/4 court sprint
Okogies sprint time was in the top 1% of combine history

I honestly have no idea how you see them as similar. Its not rare to have the best composite athletic scores tested in your draft class, have a sprint time in the top 1% in combine history, and a 42" max vert?
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Post#11 » by DY_nasty » Sat May 19, 2018 11:57 pm

Braggins wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:
Braggins wrote:Signifantly more athletic, much better motor, better 3pt shooter and FT shooter, better defensive impact in college, better rebounder, better passer, better ast/to ratio, all around more productive at the same age.

Only advantage i see for Bacon is 1.5" in length, 10 lbs of frame, and maybe slightly better handle and mid range game.

more athletic based on what

i don't see the 'significantly' more athletic bit at all. with more upper body strength he'd be doing the exact same things as bacon imo...

not against him or anything but guys like him aren't rare by any means

+3" standing vert
+6" max vert
Better lane agility, shuttle run, and 3/4 court sprint
Okogies sprint time was in the top 1% of combine history

I honestly have no idea how you see them as similar. Its not rare to have the best composite athletic scores tested in your draft class, have a sprint time in the top 1% in combine history, and a 42" max vert?
oh you're talking strictly combine numbers and all that nm

never been a fan of sudden combine judgements in any sport
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Post#13 » by amcoolio » Mon May 21, 2018 6:23 pm

Doesn't he have incredibly bad ball handling. Isn't that a death sentence in today's NBA
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Post#14 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Mon May 21, 2018 6:26 pm

amcoolio wrote:Doesn't he have incredibly bad ball handling. Isn't that a death sentence in today's NBA

Limited, yes. Scores more off catch and shoot.
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Post#16 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Wed May 23, 2018 11:18 pm

He's going to be good. If the Hornets had a second 1st round pick I would really hope they would burn it on him ... i just don't know about taking him with 11 though.
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Post#17 » by HornetJail » Thu May 24, 2018 12:11 am

this thread is literally the first time I've seen him get talked about as a lotto pick or anything close to it. I thought he was a fringe 1st/early 2nd guy. Don't know anything about him but NBAdraft.net has him going 57th and their user consensus draft has him at 49th. Thought it was odd we have a thread on him.
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Post#18 » by SWedd523 » Thu May 24, 2018 12:16 am

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:this thread is literally the first time I've seen him get talked about as a lotto pick or anything close to it. I thought he was a fringe 1st/early 2nd guy. Don't know anything about him but NBAdraft.net has him going 57th and their user consensus draft has him at 49th. Thought it was odd we have a thread on him.

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Post#19 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu May 24, 2018 1:54 am

He cannot dribble a basketball. Ive watched several if his games this year. Huge pass.
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Post#20 » by JMAC3 » Thu May 24, 2018 2:00 am

Seems like he has really good instincts on defense and that generated a good bit of offense for him. I understand he does have a big wingspan but I think I would be more on board with him if he was a bit taller. Can’t see him playing much 3 in the Nba or if any at all.

He just doesn’t seem to possess a ton of ball handling or playmaking which I don’t like from a 2 unless they are a knockdown shooter.

I like him but not before 15, just think better players available.


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