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Kupchak not messing around.

well regarded but was he any good? Clifford was well regarded.

So if I understand correctly, he's responsible for finding pro talent on other NBA teams and recommending to the GM that they would work here.

He was well regardled, Clifford was well regarded, Silas was well regarded. Anyone else well regarded that was average to slightly above average or maybe not even that at their job?

amcoolio wrote:So if I understand correctly, he's responsible for finding pro talent on other NBA teams and recommending to the GM that they would work here.

The previous regime was pretty good at shopping in the veteran bargain bin, so he might have been actually been good.

predators wrote:

amcoolio wrote:So if I understand correctly, he's responsible for finding pro talent on other NBA teams and recommending to the GM that they would work here.

The previous regime was pretty good at shopping in the veteran bargain bin, so he might have been actually been good.

The signings for backup point guards and bigs beg to differ.

LofJ wrote:

predators wrote:

amcoolio wrote:So if I understand correctly, he's responsible for finding pro talent on other NBA teams and recommending to the GM that they would work here.

The previous regime was pretty good at shopping in the veteran bargain bin, so he might have been actually been good.

The signings for backup point guards and bigs beg to differ.

My memory is that the team almost always took other stuff into consideration.

Roberts and Sessions were brought in at Cliff's request due to being familiar with his system already. MCW was brought in after Kemba lobbied for him.

Lin is one of the few name guys that I would have expected someone like Todd to have great info on.

I'll give you the D/G league signings though. Those were almost always not BPA.

Our pro scouting has been atrocious over the last five years.

predators wrote:

amcoolio wrote:So if I understand correctly, he's responsible for finding pro talent on other NBA teams and recommending to the GM that they would work here.

The previous regime was pretty good at shopping in the veteran bargain bin, so he might have been actually been good.

Yeah, guys like Marvin, McBob, CDR, Tolliver, Troy Daniels all kind of came out of nowhere and were solid for us, Lin, Lee, Lamb were obvious pickups for the price that most GMs knew what they were. Credit them for knowing how well Batum would fit with us and Kemba in particular, and the Al signing was great for that 2014 run alone. A few duds that should've been fairly obvious: Roberts, Hansbrough, Maxiell, Hawes, Neal. Lance was a gamble that backfired, but at the cheap price, it was a gamble any team should've taken. Those were all before our 2016 run.

Since then, almost all duds. Sessions, Marco, Hawes, Hibbert, Plumlee, Wood, MCW, Weber, Stone, JOB... Willy is the lone find out of all of those. Not even going to rate the Howard move, because while he was good, his style didn't fit with the team, Clifford was in love with him, and we probably could've tanked the season for a top 7 pick had we played half the season with a Plumlee/Frank/JOB center rotation with Willy coming in Feb. I'm still happy we dumped the Plumlee contract for a productive one that ended a season earlier though but that has nothing to do with Dwight the player.

In short, I have no clue how to rate this Quinter guy I didn't know existed till I saw this. Seemed like the FO had a good eye for bargain bin vets, but there were a ton of swings and misses the last two years and hardly any hits. Kupchak obviously wants to hand pick who's on his staff and I support that. Clean house in that front office, just like we did with the coaches and presumably the medical staff too.

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:

LofJ wrote:

predators wrote:
The previous regime was pretty good at shopping in the veteran bargain bin, so he might have been actually been good.

The signings for backup point guards and bigs beg to differ.

My memory is that the team almost always took other stuff into consideration.

Roberts and Sessions were brought in at Cliff's request due to being familiar with his system already. MCW was brought in after Kemba lobbied for him.

Lin is one of the few name guys that I would have expected someone like Todd to have great info on.

I'll give you the D/G league signings though. Those were almost always not BPA.

Roberts prior to coming to Charlotte was a low end backup on some rough, broken NOLA teams, and the fans were happy to see him go. A professional scout should've seen enough of MCW to know that "Kemba's guy" was not the answer at backup PG. I have no idea why Sessions forgot how to play basketball. He was mediocre his first go around under Clifford, but couldn't have seen his 2016-17 disaster coming.

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:

predators wrote:

amcoolio wrote:So if I understand correctly, he's responsible for finding pro talent on other NBA teams and recommending to the GM that they would work here.

The previous regime was pretty good at shopping in the veteran bargain bin, so he might have been actually been good.

Yeah, guys like Marvin, McBob, CDR, Tolliver, Troy Daniels all kind of came out of nowhere and were solid for us, Lin, Lee, Lamb were obvious pickups for the price that most GMs knew what they were. Credit them for knowing how well Batum would fit with us and Kemba in particular, and the Al signing was great for that 2014 run alone. A few duds that should've been fairly obvious: Roberts, Hansbrough, Maxiell, Hawes, Neal. Lance was a gamble that backfired, but at the cheap price, it was a gamble any team should've taken. Those were all before our 2016 run.

Since then, almost all duds. Sessions, Marco, Hawes, Hibbert, Plumlee, Wood, MCW, Weber, Stone, JOB... Willy is the lone find out of all of those. Not even going to rate the Howard move, because while he was good, his style didn't fit with the team, Clifford was in love with him, and we probably could've tanked the season for a top 7 pick had we played half the season with a Plumlee/Frank/JOB center rotation with Willy coming in Feb. I'm still happy we dumped the Plumlee contract for a productive one that ended a season earlier though but that has nothing to do with Dwight the player.

In short, I have no clue how to rate this Quinter guy I didn't know existed till I saw this. Seemed like the FO had a good eye for bargain bin vets, but there were a ton of swings and misses the last two years and hardly any hits. Kupchak obviously wants to hand pick who's on his staff and I support that. Clean house in that front office, just like we did with the coaches and presumably the medical staff too.

I thought Neal had his moments when we originally traded for him before it fell apart the next season. but I don't really disagree with your overall point.

Anyone else find the timing of this odd? I would think we are within the window of when a pre-draft trade could be made, and it seems like if we were targeting a significant pre-draft roster shakeup this move would have been made weeks ago. Do we need to hire a new director of pro personnel before doing a trade?

I think that Mitch is going to fire a lot more guys before the start of next season. Not sure if Todd was fired due to disagreements of any sort or if Mitch just wanted to make trades and work with someone else. And it doesn't really matter to me either.