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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#141 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:16 pm

steady wrote:Can you guys give me some insight to why Dwight was such a problem in Charlotte? Hornets seem one of the easiest teams to get along with so it really says something that he had such problems here. Was he demanding the ball in the post and refusing to set screens for PnRs (which he is actually good at)?


Demanding the ball in the post was an issue. Ball movement pretty much stopped when that happened and it happened a lot.

Dwight was really bad at PnRs. He failed to set hard screens and rolled hard too early looking to score or at least get a rebound and putback. Can't emphasize how bad he was at this.

Dwight's D was really bad in a lot of cases. He failed to contest shots by driving guards, he would drop back looking for the rebound. He wouldn't go to defend the perimeter. Not sure if this was all him - Cliff's system may have highlighted some of these weaknesses. He was good against other strong post players.

Dwight is rarely serious and that pissed off a lot of the more serious dudes like Kemba and Marvin. Some folks here thought it was a bad example for the rookies too.

Those were some of the problems, but it wasn't all bad. Dwight worked hard many games. He did rebound well. His post defense was good against other big men.
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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#142 » by JDR720 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:16 pm

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Yeah, i would rather have done this deal than that one.
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Re: RE: Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#143 » by fatlever » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:20 pm

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Yeah, i would rather have done this deal than that one.
Holy crap, that is awful.

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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#144 » by JDR720 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:21 pm

If we were actually considering trading for an MKG clone, i wonder if that means they are looking to trade MKG,
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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#145 » by steady » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:24 pm

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Yeah, i would rather have done this deal than that one.


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Sean Marks (Nets GM) is a good to great negotiator. Usually 2 second rounders would not be considered a lot, but it is a lot to pry out of Marks' hands. And given the luxury tax issues Hornets have this year ,and lockerroom cancer Dwight was becoming. It seems like a deal that made sense for both sides.

For Nets, it is primarily about 2019 when they have a number of important decisions to make.
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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#146 » by HornetJail » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:25 pm

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Yeah, i would rather have done this deal than that one.

lol forget that. the trade with the lottery pick is much, much worse. Our Dwight deal is objectively stupid because it's a salary dump where we gain salary. This baseless rumor has us throwing away a lottery pick for a player that absolutely does not fit here.
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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#147 » by Teal25 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:49 pm

So why not just buy Howard out for the 7.8 million less? Dwight may be a locker room but some team would’ve gave him a 1 year 8 million+ contract. Whoopidity doo! 2 whole 2nds for 16.7 million of a useless player.

I’m tired of giving this team chances. They keep doing stupid stuff. If we were going to do this we should d just traded him for Deng and got #25 or help Houston get rid of Anderson and get a 1st.
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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#148 » by JMAC3 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:52 pm

Looking at my Charlotte based twitter. A lot of casual fans thought Dwight was a lot better then he was. Front office would take major heat from them if Kemba is traded even tho at the heart of our hearts most of us know that’s the best move.


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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#149 » by tondi123 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:59 pm

Yeah you look at basic stats and see a 16/12 guy traded for a guy who averaged a fraction of that and its easy to think we got robbed but its much more complicated than that.
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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#150 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:14 pm

Teal25 wrote:So why not just buy Howard out for the 7.8 million less? Dwight may be a locker room but some team would’ve gave him a 1 year 8 million+ contract. Whoopidity doo! 2 whole 2nds for 16.7 million of a useless player.

Because Howard would have to agree to taking less $ and you know he wouldn't do that.
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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#151 » by amcoolio » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:15 pm

Dwight didn’t want to be bought out. Otherwise we would have done it.
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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#152 » by JDR720 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:19 pm

At the very least, Moz is a better fit than Dwight. He can actually set screens and makes his FT's.
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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#153 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:57 pm

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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#154 » by Teal25 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:06 pm

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Teal25 wrote:So why not just buy Howard out for the 7.8 million less? Dwight may be a locker room but some team would’ve gave him a 1 year 8 million+ contract. Whoopidity doo! 2 whole 2nds for 16.7 million of a useless player.

Because Howard would have to agree to taking less $ and you know he wouldn't do that.

Yes I know but you have until the deadline to clear salary for luxury tax. He would’ve at least took a buyout to go to a contender at the deadline. If he’s such a problem sit home. It’s not like Mozgov will play much if at all.
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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#155 » by Chapelchilla » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:14 pm

Love the move. I hope we can follow up with moving MKG or Marvin for another 2nd and an expiring. That should solve our cap problems and open up minutes for the young guys we need to develop.
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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#158 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:59 pm

Title of the thread:

Hornets dump hated Dwight for 2 second rounders, 7.8 million cap space.

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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#159 » by Robot Rock » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:01 pm

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Re: Woj: Hornets acquire Mozgov for Dwight 

Post#160 » by SWedd523 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:30 pm

Stupid deal.

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