Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I was looking at basketball reference earlier. Nic was 4th in WS, 3rd in BPM, and 2nd best VORP on the team. His offense was negative, but it looks like he was having some sort of defensive impact that I never saw with my own eye test.
Miles was 6th, 7th, & 6th respectively ... so not bad, but apparently not having the same impact that Nic did.
I hate watching Nic play. Hate it. But, as expected for a rookie on a team trying to win last year, Miles has a ways to go yet.
Batum is only negative value because of his contract. If he was on a 15 mil/year contract, most would probably like him. He's better than miles.
dude's efficiency is fraudulent as hell. in the year of our lord 2019 people are still trying to act like a guy who cheats constantly on defense and actively runs away from the ball on offense is some sort of value added to our on the court product
I have no idea why some people on this board try to validate having Nicolas Batum. It's like they have the sports equivalent of low self-esteem and feel the Charlotte Hornets don't deserve better than a marginal player on the team.
What some people are not considering is you have to use all aspects of research to evaluate NBA players with a complete picture (not just cherry-picked advanced numbers): raw production, advanced numbers, observing gameplay, historical and current comparison with peers, scouting reports, honors, etc. Each one has strengths and weaknesses, but using them all currently provides a more accurate picture.
Batum was ninth on the Hornets in offensive rating and eighth in defensive rating. He ranked 120th in the NBA in win shares. His shooting percentages went up compared to recent years because he rarely shot the ball (in previous years, Batum had more responsibility but his percentages were marginal). For a player who was second on the team in minutes played, Batum was eighth in offensive rebounding rate, ninth in defensive rebounding rate, 10th in total rebounding rate and 11th in free-throw shooting rates (more advanced numbers).
Anyone who watched Batum play this season could see how he was passive to the point of ineffectiveness. He played more than 2,300 minutes and took less than 90 free throws for the season. His PER was 11.9 (154th in the NBA out of all eligible players) and his usage rate was 13.2 percent (16th on the team and 173rd in the NBA out of all eligible players). All of these numbers show that Batum is an eighth or ninth man on a typical NBA franchise.