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Great wrote:Rozier
Bacon
Batum
Bridges
Zeller

If they could replace Zeller with a better rim protector that could catch a pass, that starting 5 is pretty balanced.

Martin, Devonte, PJ off the bench

add a SG/SF and rim protector that can catch a pass and it’s on.

Foundation laid, direction chosen.

Imagine a guy like WCjr or Mitchell Robinson instead of Zeller.

PerkinsFor3 wrote:

Great wrote:Rozier
Bacon
Batum
Bridges
Zeller

If they could replace Zeller with a better rim protector that could catch a pass, that starting 5 is pretty balanced.

Martin, Devonte, PJ off the bench

add a SG/SF and rim protector that can catch a pass and it’s on.

Foundation laid, direction chosen.

Imagine a guy like WCjr or Mitchell Robinson instead of Zeller.

Cheick Diallo could do the job, also.

Borrego: "I definitely see (Bridges) as a starter for us... have to decide if it's at the 3 with Marvin - who was our starter at the 4 - or if we put him at the 4 and surround him with shooters."

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Miles just killed Biz.



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DY_nasty wrote:

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I was looking at basketball reference earlier. Nic was 4th in WS, 3rd in BPM, and 2nd best VORP on the team. His offense was negative, but it looks like he was having some sort of defensive impact that I never saw with my own eye test.

Miles was 6th, 7th, & 6th respectively ... so not bad, but apparently not having the same impact that Nic did.

I hate watching Nic play. Hate it. But, as expected for a rookie on a team trying to win last year, Miles has a ways to go yet.

nic showing up as a positive is whats wrong with advanced stats/metrics

Batum is only negative value because of his contract. If he was on a 15 mil/year contract, most would probably like him. He's better than miles.

predators wrote:

DY_nasty wrote:

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I was looking at basketball reference earlier. Nic was 4th in WS, 3rd in BPM, and 2nd best VORP on the team. His offense was negative, but it looks like he was having some sort of defensive impact that I never saw with my own eye test.

Miles was 6th, 7th, & 6th respectively ... so not bad, but apparently not having the same impact that Nic did.

I hate watching Nic play. Hate it. But, as expected for a rookie on a team trying to win last year, Miles has a ways to go yet.

nic showing up as a positive is whats wrong with advanced stats/metrics

Batum is only negative value because of his contract. If he was on a 15 mil/year contract, most would probably like him. He's better than miles.

Nawwwwww....Zero dollars is too much for Batum

predators wrote:

DY_nasty wrote:

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I was looking at basketball reference earlier. Nic was 4th in WS, 3rd in BPM, and 2nd best VORP on the team. His offense was negative, but it looks like he was having some sort of defensive impact that I never saw with my own eye test.

Miles was 6th, 7th, & 6th respectively ... so not bad, but apparently not having the same impact that Nic did.

I hate watching Nic play. Hate it. But, as expected for a rookie on a team trying to win last year, Miles has a ways to go yet.

nic showing up as a positive is whats wrong with advanced stats/metrics

Batum is only negative value because of his contract. If he was on a 15 mil/year contract, most would probably like him. He's better than miles.

absolutely not

dude's efficiency is fraudulent as hell. in the year of our lord 2019 people are still trying to act like a guy who cheats constantly on defense and actively runs away from the ball on offense is some sort of value added to our on the court product

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that's low key insane

No one does a euro into a windmill dunk. Like, no one.

That euro windmill was impressive.

I hope Miles' highlights would be enough to put some seats in the Spectrum Center this season.

-Ian- wrote:I hope Miles' highlights would be enough to put some seats in the Spectrum Center this season.

Bacon will have a better year. He cant do crazy **** like that, but hes going to be reaaaaally good.

Bacon has great feel on offense and is more comfortable with the ball in his hands. But I believe Miles is the better all-around player. Bacon will definitely average more points.

The great luxury is we don't have to choose between Monk or Bacon, Bacon or Miles. We get all of them. JB will put them in the right situation to succeed. I'm confident in that. Our pieces fit better than ever since the move, despite losing Kemba. This will be the best fitting team we have seen since the old Hornets. And it seems to be built in anticipation of the game going two-way, perimeter, fast and small. Iso is gone. It's just so much more intuitive than the island of misfits Cho built with Clifford. Talk about robots.

Miles has most potential of any player on our team. That is why I hope we try to play him more at the 3, he just isn’t going to be a star as undersized 4.


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Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I was looking at basketball reference earlier. Nic was 4th in WS, 3rd in BPM, and 2nd best VORP on the team. His offense was negative, but it looks like he was having some sort of defensive impact that I never saw with my own eye test.

Miles was 6th, 7th, & 6th respectively ... so not bad, but apparently not having the same impact that Nic did.

I hate watching Nic play. Hate it. But, as expected for a rookie on a team trying to win last year, Miles has a ways to go yet.

DY_nasty wrote:

predators wrote:
Batum is only negative value because of his contract. If he was on a 15 mil/year contract, most would probably like him. He's better than miles.

absolutely not

dude's efficiency is fraudulent as hell. in the year of our lord 2019 people are still trying to act like a guy who cheats constantly on defense and actively runs away from the ball on offense is some sort of value added to our on the court product

I have no idea why some people on this board try to validate having Nicolas Batum. It's like they have the sports equivalent of low self-esteem and feel the Charlotte Hornets don't deserve better than a marginal player on the team.

What some people are not considering is you have to use all aspects of research to evaluate NBA players with a complete picture (not just cherry-picked advanced numbers): raw production, advanced numbers, observing gameplay, historical and current comparison with peers, scouting reports, honors, etc. Each one has strengths and weaknesses, but using them all currently provides a more accurate picture.

Batum was ninth on the Hornets in offensive rating and eighth in defensive rating. He ranked 120th in the NBA in win shares. His shooting percentages went up compared to recent years because he rarely shot the ball (in previous years, Batum had more responsibility but his percentages were marginal). For a player who was second on the team in minutes played, Batum was eighth in offensive rebounding rate, ninth in defensive rebounding rate, 10th in total rebounding rate and 11th in free-throw shooting rates (more advanced numbers).

Anyone who watched Batum play this season could see how he was passive to the point of ineffectiveness. He played more than 2,300 minutes and took less than 90 free throws for the season. His PER was 11.9 (154th in the NBA out of all eligible players) and his usage rate was 13.2 percent (16th on the team and 173rd in the NBA out of all eligible players). All of these numbers show that Batum is an eighth or ninth man on a typical NBA franchise.

JMAC3 wrote:Miles has most potential of any player on our team. That is why I hope we try to play him more at the 3, he just isn’t going to be a star as undersized 4.


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I agree. Miles has shown more flashes earlier than just about any draft pick we've had. I feel like forcing him into the 4 spot to get Batum in the starting lineup is a mistake long term

miles dunk remix. lol

Should be rozier/bacon/miles/Washington/zeller. We need go spead up development and not worry about the playoffs and not tank. Maybe we can land a top 5 pick naturally.