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I think monk and miles will both be starters by years end. I could also see Graham and bacon becoming solid backups. At SF I would rather go with miles and bacon and forget about mkg.

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MugzZo wrote:I think monk and miles will both be starters by years end. I could also see Graham and bacon becoming solid backups. At SF I would rather go with miles and bacon and forget about mkg.

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At this point we know what MKG is. He may improve slightly but no player of FIVE YEARS shows zero improvement then just turns around and has major improvement.

Batum is here to stay. Even if you figure 30 minutes for him as SF, it only leaves 18 for Miles. And how is Miles supposed to get leftover minutes with Frank and Marvin splitting 48 at PF?

Trade MKg.

D. Graham will contribute but we all know with Kemba here the backup PG will only get 14-16 minutes a game if he's lucky, that is the only thing holding him back from having a Brogdon type year, they are cut out of the same mold. We have to get rid of MKG and Marvin so Miles can have as many minutes as he can handle, IMO.


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Borrego has already told Nic that he will be playing SF. We all know Kemba will start if he's still here. Probably Cody at center, but Frank and Willy probably have outside shots at it. At PF not sure what will happen, it could be Marv, Frank, or even MKG. At SG I'm assuming that Lamb will start and Monk will back him up.

I have no expectation of Miles starting this year. Monk's a slightly tougher call, but I don't see him and Kemba playing a lot of minutes together. Borrego may prove me wrong there though and go the way Portland did.

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Borrego has already told Nic that he will be playing SF. We all know Kemba will start if he's still here. Probably Cody at center, but Frank and Willy probably have outside shots at it. At PF not sure what will happen, it could be Marv, Frank, or even MKG. At SG I'm assuming that Lamb will start and Monk will back him up.

I have no expectation of Miles starting this year. Monk's a slightly tougher call, but I don't see him and Kemba playing a lot of minutes together. Borrego may prove me wrong there though and go the way Portland did.

Yeah I think the starting lineup is Kemba, Lamb, Batum, Frank and Cody. Miles, Willy, Monk and Graham getting most minutes off the bench. I’m hopeful Marvin is traded but if not he will certainly take some reserve minutes. Obviously I also hope MKG is traded.

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Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Borrego has already told Nic that he will be playing SF. We all know Kemba will start if he's still here. Probably Cody at center, but Frank and Willy probably have outside shots at it. At PF not sure what will happen, it could be Marv, Frank, or even MKG. At SG I'm assuming that Lamb will start and Monk will back him up.

I have no expectation of Miles starting this year. Monk's a slightly tougher call, but I don't see him and Kemba playing a lot of minutes together. Borrego may prove me wrong there though and go the way Portland did.

Yeah I think the starting lineup is Kemba, Lamb, Batum, Frank and Cody. Miles, Willy, Monk and Graham getting most minutes off the bench. I’m hopeful Marvin is traded but if not he will certainly take some reserve minutes. Obviously I also hope MKG is traded.

With us likely letting Lamb walk next summer it doesn't make sense to trade both Marvin and MKG. We only need to move one of them.

I don’t see Frank starting unless it’s at C. Marvin provides much better defense and is a better three point shooter even at this point in his career.

Monk starting would be interesting but I can’t see Lamb not starting. I do think if Batum plays like he did last year, then he should be leading the second unit as the point forward. But I doubt he comes off the bench.

So what do people generally think Monk's long term role on this team is? Not gonna lie for most of the year I thought he was 6'4 or 6'5 so I figured he would pair great with Kemba. I was disappointed to find out that wasn't the case. Do people think he can play with Kemba? Maybe a 6th man role? Trade Kemba and have him take the reigns as PG?

Monk indicated on social media that he grew an inch last year. But even if he did, he's still fairly short for the SG position.

I think that his current role is Combo Guard. He's much better with scoring duties, but his handle and passing really did seem to improve last year towards the end. I think that it's still possible to pair him with Kemba like Portland did with Lillard & McCollum ... but Monk is going to have to prove a lot to even be put into a position where he gets a chance to show it can work. I think it's more likely that he is backup SG for now and gets paired with a PG most of the time. It would also be interesting to see him paired with MKG and Batum at some point who can help cover his D and passing. Some of the same things that helped Kemba might also help him.

Monk's best case outcome is that he ends up being able to handle either starting guard role, carrying a team on offense, and being at least average on D. Just in general he would have more value as a scoring PG.

Monk's biggest weakness is his D. That's the end I would watch the most when he came in. The other teams immediately went right at him every time. His guy usually got past him and either scored or passed to an open man when some other Hornet went to help.

What do you guys think the ceiling is for bacon and Graham?

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As this team is currently constructed neither Miles or Monk will start. Lamb is better than Monk right now and MKG and/or Marvin will get the veterans nod over Miles to start the year.

Liver_Pooty wrote:As this team is currently constructed neither Miles or Monk will start. Lamb is better than Monk right now and MKG and/or Marvin will get the veterans nod over Miles to start the year.

If Lamb starts over Monk, and he will, that leaves Batum starting over Miles. Even before they drafted Miles, MKG was on thin ice. Borrego informed Nic that Nic will be playing SF. Nic will be starting. And before you shoehoen MKG at PF, figure Marvin + Kaminsky get the lion's share of those minutes. The only way to get Miles sufficient minutes is to play him directly behind Batum and the starting PF, preferably the younger guy with upside (Frank).

So basically, assuming Kemba - Lamb - Batum - Kaminsky - Zeller - Monk (6th man), MKG and Marvin stand in the way of Miles' rookie season being more than what it was for Monk under Clifford.

Minutes distribution is going to be interesting. Someone from last year has to lose some.

PG
Kemba - 32 minutes
MLE - 12 minutes (Mitch keeps saying they will add vet backcourt help)
Graham - 4 minutes (Traded up for a senior, had him rated first round)
Monk - 0

SG
Lamb - 28 minutes
Monk - 20 minutes
Bacon - 0

SF
Batum - 30 minutes
Bridges - 13 minutes
MKG - 5 minutes

PF
Kaminsky - 24 minutes
Marvin - 15 minutes
Bridges 7 minutes
MKG - 2 minutes

C
Zeller - 26 minutes
Hernangomez - 18 minutes
Kaminsky - 4 minutes

Totals
Kemba - 32
Batum - 30
Lamb - 28
Kaminsky - 28
Zeller - 26
Monk - 20
Bridges - 20
Hernangomez - 18
Marvin - 15
MLE - 12
MKG - 7
Graham - 4

MasterIchiro wrote:PG
Kemba - 32 minutes
MLE - 12 minutes (Mitch keeps saying they will add vet backcourt help)
Graham - 4 minutes (Traded up for a senior, had him rated first round)
Monk - 0

SG
Lamb - 28 minutes
Monk - 20 minutes
Bacon - 0

SF
Batum - 30 minutes
Bridges - 13 minutes
MKG - 5 minutes

PF
Kaminsky - 24 minutes
Marvin - 15 minutes
Bridges 7 minutes
MKG - 2 minutes

C
Zeller - 26 minutes
Hernangomez - 18 minutes
Kaminsky - 4 minutes

Totals
Kemba - 32
Batum - 30
Lamb - 28
Kaminsky - 28
Zeller - 26
Monk - 20
Bridges - 20
Hernangomez - 18
Marvin - 15
MLE - 12
MKG - 7
Graham - 4

Good list. Personally I'd rather we sign an aging backup pg and phase him out to third string with those mins split to Monk and Graham.

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MasterIchiro wrote:PG
Kemba - 32 minutes
MLE - 12 minutes (Mitch keeps saying they will add vet backcourt help)
Graham - 4 minutes (Traded up for a senior, had him rated first round)
Monk - 0

SG
Lamb - 28 minutes
Monk - 20 minutes
Bacon - 0

SF
Batum - 30 minutes
Bridges - 13 minutes
MKG - 5 minutes

PF
Kaminsky - 24 minutes
Marvin - 15 minutes
Bridges 7 minutes
MKG - 2 minutes

C
Zeller - 26 minutes
Hernangomez - 18 minutes
Kaminsky - 4 minutes

Totals
Kemba - 32
Batum - 30
Lamb - 28
Kaminsky - 28
Zeller - 26
Monk - 20
Bridges - 20
Hernangomez - 18
Marvin - 15
MLE - 12
MKG - 7
Graham - 4

Good list. Personally I'd rather we sign an aging backup pg and phase him out to third string with those mins split to Monk and Graham.

Taking on Mozgov is for the MLE. That PG is going to make 8-9 million for one season. He will be mentoring Graham in practice and grooming him for backup. I think adding the MLE is a win-now move.

Health is always a big part of it. Somebody is going to be injured, but I like our depth.

So if Batum is a forward now (thank god maybe this new coach gets it) then the back court is pretty much:

Kemba/ Free agent /Graham

Lamb/Monk

The Front court should be:

Batum / Miles

Marvin / MKG

Frank / Willy / Mozgov

Not counting on Zeller to be healthy but if he is the center rotation can be Zeller / Frank / Willy

I see Monk as an off the bench scorer that only helps you on nights where he has a hot hand. That said he is probably the best 3pt shooter on the team although stats don't support that yet. His stroke looks good to me and I think he is going to get his shot going at some point.

I also see Miles as an off the bench scorer. He seems like a decent and willing defender who is going to have his moments but not a difference maker on defense at the nba level night in and night out. I think he can play the Batum role to some extent, sore a little from inside and outside and make some crafty passes. He should be a good player.

The one constant is that I notice is marv is more valuable than mkg. We must rid ourselves of mkg this summer. I believe if kupchak and do that, and sign a decent PG with the MLE, we can be a realistic playoff team.

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MugzZo wrote:The one constant is that I notice is marv is more valuable than mkg. We must rid ourselves of mkg this summer. I believe if kupchak and do that, and sign a decent PG with the MLE, we can be a realistic playoff team.

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Either or would be good. Let MKG play the backup 4. I don't really care if he doesn't want to play the 4 because he doesnt really help us at the 3. Marv works too, but at this point both should be transitioning to coming off the bench.