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Was this the correct move to make?

is there a could be worse option?

DY_nasty wrote:is there a could be worse option?

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1. The second unit will keep the team in games.
2. Kemba can rest without the exhaustion of having to dig the team out of huge hole every time he stands up and reenters games.
3. Parker can implement the new offense on the court, something that will benefit the young players he will lead on the second unit. Their development is crucial to our future.
4. A true PG, Parker allows Monk to develop off the ball as a potential #1 scorer. After one summer league game, we can plainly see the smarts of this angle of the investment in Parker.
5. Reputation. Charlotte is a desireable place to play and should be associated with a positive culture and a commitment to winning. This is a 4 time champion who turned down an offer from the Spurs (and Nuggets) to play for his idol MJ, his former coach and his friend and countryman.

MasterIchiro wrote:1. The second unit will keep the team in games.
Thanks to Graham
2. Kemba can rest without the exhaustion of having to dig the team out of huge hole every time he stands up and reenters games.
Graham
3. Parker can implement the new offense on the court, something that will benefit the young players he will lead on the second unit. Their development is crucial to our future.
on the practice court
4. A true PG, Parker allows Monk to develop off the ball as a potential #1 scorer. After one summer league game, we can plainly see the smarts of this angle of the investment in Parker.
Graham averaged over 7 assists last season
5. Reputation. Charlotte is a desireable place to play and should be associated with a positive culture and a commitment to winning. This is a 4 time champion who turned down an offer from the Spurs (and Nuggets) to play for his idol MJ, his former coach and his friend and countryman.
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I see Graham as much more capable of being our lead guy on the 2nd unit. It's unfortunate that we may have to deal with coach bias once again.

graham has one summer league game under his belt so far

i'll take the hobbled finals mvp for a few months

316Hornets wrote:

MasterIchiro wrote:1. The second unit will keep the team in games.
Thanks to Graham
2. Kemba can rest without the exhaustion of having to dig the team out of huge hole every time he stands up and reenters games.
Graham
3. Parker can implement the new offense on the court, something that will benefit the young players he will lead on the second unit. Their development is crucial to our future.
on the practice court
4. A true PG, Parker allows Monk to develop off the ball as a potential #1 scorer. After one summer league game, we can plainly see the smarts of this angle of the investment in Parker.
Graham averaged over 7 assists last season
5. Reputation. Charlotte is a desireable place to play and should be associated with a positive culture and a commitment to winning. This is a 4 time champion who turned down an offer from the Spurs (and Nuggets) to play for his idol MJ, his former coach and his friend and countryman.
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I see Graham as much more capable of being our lead guy on the 2nd unit. It's unfortunate that we may have to deal with coach bias once again.

This is a win-now team. Graham will need to learn more than any rookie because he's going to have to grow into a leadership role. Parker is going to be a great mentor on and off the court. Graham has enormous potential and I'm super happy they're not just throwing him in there. You see the addition as a negative because of Graham. I see it as a positive. Tony Parker is a 4 time NBA champion. He knows how to win. Graham has potential but he's nowhere near Parker, even though Parker is 35-36. Parker is a quick decision maker who has seen it all and can exploit openings. Graham has the court vision to become a starter, but in order to see everything in opposing defenses, you need time and experience. You do not mess with the backup PG spot. One of Cho's mistakes was his inability to stabilize it. So the whole second unit suffered. It didn't even matter that the first unit posted good numbers compared to the rest of the league. I love Graham and I love his development plan.

Devonte Graham is 3 years older than Monk. I guess Monk should go to the G league then.

I think this signing was about more than basketball. It was a long-term play to build credibility, help the team change the way it plays, and hopefully increase Batum's value.

And it's not like the team didn't try to sign someone that would help on the court more. Mitch wanted Tyreke, but he signed for more money than the team was able to offer. You almost never get the first player you want, as a fallback option there are worse players we could have signed. Lance anyone?

The problem is we took on 2 years of Mozgov in order to get TP? I'm pinning my hopes on Graham because neither of the other two interest me in the least.

I'll wait to hear some interviews etc. If he is here to pass on his knowledge to guys like Monk, Graham, even Kemba isn't too old to learn some new tricks I'm pretty excited. Monks reaction when they told him was exactly what I wanted to see.

If he's just here to pick up a check and play then he's just another mediocre backup PG. Still better than MCW.

I voted that I strongly agree with the move. I had Shabazz as my top priority after the two reaches fell off the board (Bradley, Tyreke). But I can see the layers of rationale justifying this move. Shabazz is kind of volatile, as we saw in Portland. Parker is going to project the consistency that supports growth, development, and the embrace of very specific roles. Kupchak and Borrego are using the Spurs model of small market survival. Some prefer Sixers or Warriors, but those are mid market teams. It's a healthy goal and model, to draft and develop like the Spurs. Maybe Devonte turns out to be a steal, same with Bridges. We don't know how well they're drafting and developing until years from now. Being overly critical of what they do takes the fun out if it. I see no early patterns nor trends nor bias that concern me. They seem to scout and weigh heavily skill over pure athleticism/measureables, although Miles blends both athleticism with skill. They're conscientious of skill and diversity of skillset. Very different from Biz, Vonleh, MKG. Those guys were very limited. The Hornets started to correct when they picked Frank for his skill. They did not develop him as a center. That's a failure because he can't guard the perimeter. They should've picked Booker but they started to put more weight on skill. Monk was a great pick. Miles and Graham are ready to contribute now, plus both have upside. All good signs.

316Hornets wrote:Devonte Graham is 3 years older than Monk. I guess Monk should go to the G league then.

is this logic

If TP and DG are at a similar level, we wasted 5 mil. Guys at the 3,4,5 would have filled a void instead of being a redundancy. Does anyone believe Zeller plays 70 games?

DY_nasty wrote:

316Hornets wrote:Devonte Graham is 3 years older than Monk. I guess Monk should go to the G league then.

is this logic

I was basing that comment on the previous post that said Graham would need time to learn how to be a backup. The guy has 4 years at freaking Kansas.. that's better than playing on half these tanking teams in the NBA

Instead of having no one that could fill in for Kemba, as was the case for all but one year of Cho's tenure, we now have two guys. That all came about because of the Dwight trade. We also have a bruiser that can fill in for Cody when he's out. Yeah, we spent 20 million in cap next season to get it, but I'd be willing to bet that we aren't done yet. A consolidation trade is likely coming.

LofJ wrote:Instead of having no one that could fill in for Kemba, as was the case for all but one year of Cho's tenure, we now have two guys. That all came about because of the Dwight trade. We also have a bruiser that can fill in for Cody when he's out. Yeah, we spent 20 million in cap next season to get it, but I'd be willing to bet that we aren't done yet. A consolidation trade is likely coming.

A trade would consolidate plus create cap. We needed it from Dwight and now it's gone. It has to come from Marvin and/or MKG, unless we want to lose both Kaminsky + Lamb, two players with more upside, both better at passing and playing team ball. Marvin is catch and shoot. MKG is catch and hesitate. Neither can really facilitate team ball and both have very low assist numbers for the minutes they play.

Coming into the offseason the team's top priorities were:
1. Add PG depth
2. Get rid of Dwight

The Dwight for Mozgov trade accomplished #2 and gave them additional means to do #1 by letting them have the full MLE. Between using part of the MLE on Parker and drafting Graham the team now actually has a PG rotation that - on paper - looks to be OK for once. So yeah, using most of the MLE on Tony was fine.

The guys I wanted most were Tyreke and Shabazz, and to their credit the team went after Tyreke ... and it's not 100% clear to me that Shabazz had interest in being Kemba's backup. Lots of other teams with potentially bigger roles seem to have interest in him. Parker is a gamble with his age and injury history, but he brings a lot to the table. I really like the existing relationships with Borrego and Nic, and think that it will help with implementing a new system here and team chemistry overall.

316Hornets wrote:

DY_nasty wrote:

316Hornets wrote:Devonte Graham is 3 years older than Monk. I guess Monk should go to the G league then.

is this logic

I was basing that comment on the previous post that said Graham would need time to learn how to be a backup. The guy has 4 years at freaking Kansas.. that's better than playing on half these tanking teams in the NBA

4 years in college don't mean a thing. college is not the nba. nor is high school. euroleague. etc

if graham is a surprise he'll be exactly that - a surprise

DY_nasty wrote:

316Hornets wrote:

DY_nasty wrote:is this logic

I was basing that comment on the previous post that said Graham would need time to learn how to be a backup. The guy has 4 years at freaking Kansas.. that's better than playing on half these tanking teams in the NBA

4 years in college don't mean a thing. college is not the nba. nor is high school. euroleague. etc

if graham is a surprise he'll be exactly that - a surprise

Prestigious college institutions provide college basketball student athletes with the same type of resources and facilities you'd expect in the Pros.

Kansas is a great college and is it really so hard to expect a 4 year player projected as a late 1st to be a backup PG in his 1st year? Like, I'm really lost on why this isn't a probable occurrence.