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Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Sat Dec 1, 2018 5:18 pm
by catch20two
LofJ wrote:Tobias Harris trained with Kemba, and Middleton is from South Carolina and shares the same agent as Kemba (which has paid dividends for us before). If we could land one of them in free agency how much better would that realistically make the team? And would it be enough to convince Kemba that he has a chance to have playoff success here?

Both of those players are in better situations than Charlotte currently. I don’t see how we can land neither to be honest.

But Tobias in Marv’s role would be a severe upgrade and Middleton would be the best scorer we’ve had alongside Kemba in his 8 seasons here.

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Mon Dec 3, 2018 12:28 pm
by Snidely FC
Since Kemba's monster back to back 100 pts games last month he has shot 26% from 3 (12-46) and 38% overall.

It seemed to me in the ATL loss Kemba played to make a statement to the refs that he deserved star foul call status, repeatedly driving to the hoop and getting stuffed. He has appeared increasingly noticeably frustrated about his treatment by refs (2 techs in last wk), and effected by reduced focus and tired legs (last 3 games 55% from free throw line).

He definitely doesn't get the calls other stars do from refs. But part of that is his style of play, using dekes and acrobatics to get to the rim. In both the PHI loss (Butler block) and ATL loss (Collins block), if had gone hard into the body of the defender (such as, say Lebron would do), he'd give the ref a chance to make the call. I believe this is a factor (along with our lack of reliable 3 pt shooters other than Kemba) in our losses in so many close game. Stars like Lebron and Harden get to the foul line when their shots don't fall at game's end. Kemba doesn't.

Meanwhile, he looks like he needs a night or two off. Star Kemba not as focused as unheralded Kemba.

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Wed Dec 5, 2018 5:23 pm
by -Ian-
For anyone who would like a #WallpaperWednesday of Kemba.
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Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2018 2:51 pm
by Vanderbilt_Grad
CatgutStitches wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Good stuff catch.

What that really tells me though is wtf is our deal with not giving Lamb the ball in Q4 if he hits contested 3's at 44%.


Because Kemba is really busy dribbling around and trying to draw a foul on a wild layup at the buzzer?

Stealing this from the Monk thread, because it reminded me of something that I read on twitter about this. Wish I could find the tweet, but the gist was that Kemba was frustrated at not getting calls like other star players near the end of games ... but noted that he rarely tries to draw body contact the way other guys do. Officials will call the body contact, but will not call the arm or other incidental contact nearly as much.

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2018 3:35 pm
by yosemiteben
Kemba's December splits...ew. Craziest thing is the -13.7 +/-.

https://stats.nba.com/player/202689/traditional/

When do we get worried?

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2018 4:13 pm
by bravor
If you look at the team stats in the 4th, Borrego has tried hundreds of line up and i did not find - unless i am mistaken - any line up with even 10mn played together
The problem is beyond Kemba. There is no one consistent to close the games except maybe MKG (but within his role).

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2018 4:50 pm
by Hornet Mania
yosemiteben wrote:Kemba's December splits...ew. Craziest thing is the -13.7 +/-.

https://stats.nba.com/player/202689/traditional/

When do we get worried?


I'd give it til the new year. Kemba was bound to regress to the mean (which is still pretty good) eventually, it would be great if he permanently evolved into an every-game 30ppg player but there have only been a handful of those in history.

I agree with the board consensus that he needs to ease up on chasing foul calls at the end of games though. I understand his frustration, 2x (soon 3x) all-star who gets rooked constantly at the end of games, but he can't let the bad treatment have a negative effect on his game.

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2018 4:50 pm
by catch20two
Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Kemba was frustrated at not getting calls like other star players near the end of games ... but noted that he rarely tries to draw body contact the way other guys do. Officials will call the body contact, but will not call the arm or other incidental contact nearly as much.

The irony is that you’d think the referees would favor the guy who’s not trying to draw a foul. Often I remember during my basketball days referees would use the excuse for not giving players calls is because they were the one that initiated the contact. There’s just too much inconsistency within the officials that it makes the experience of watching the games aggravating at times.

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2018 5:46 pm
by wco81
The decision facing the Hornets on Kemba is not that different from what the Celtics faced a few years ago with Isaiah Thomas.

Even before his injury and Kyrie becoming available to the Celtics for trade, there were questions about whether the Celtics should sign Thomas to a big extension, just as he was around 30, even though he was having an MVP-like season, because the history with smaller guards as they aged wasn't favorable.

Despite the numbers he's put up, it's difficult to evaluate if he's someone to build a playoffs contender around, since he's only played 11 playoffs games in his career.

Before giving him an extension which starts at $30 or $35 million or more, you'd ideally want this kind of data. Can the team pay Kemba and vie for other all-star type players? Or do they have to wait until they can get rid of contracts -- Biyombo, Batum, Zeller?

Or does Charlotte give Kemba the big extension just to sell tickets and contend for a low playoff seed for the next couple of years?

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2018 6:22 pm
by KEMBAtheMETEOR
Kemba isn't just important to the franchise. He IS the franchise. Pay him what he wants in order to stick around, and worry about everything else second. If we let Kemba walk due to salary concerns and we turn into a Sacramento/Orlando type team that isn't fortunate enough to draft a franchise player for years, I would be worried about eventual relocation.

Marvin and Biz are 18 months away from coming off the books, meaning in six months they will be semi-productive 1-year contracts that can easily be moved, valued as filler rather than albatross contracts. We have all our picks, additional seconds from bad teams, and some young prospects to be excited about. I hope we can swing a trade now rather than later, but we'll be in a position to make moves to alleviate our cap problems and/or significantly improve the team around him.

I hate how much of Kemba's prime we've wasted, but there are still ways forward. If Kemba leaves money on the table to go to a better team, nobody will blame him, but all signs point to him liking Charlotte and wanting to stay here forever.

Kemba isn't Isaiah Thomas. Prime IT was so tiny and reliant on high end athleticism that even a slight loss of athleticism would wreck his game. He was never going to age well. Kemba doesn't have a massive hip injury to worry about, is bigger, and a much better shooter. He'll age better. The 5 year max is a risk but one that's worth the risk. Our team will look very different by the 2nd or 3rd year of that deal.

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:03 am
by euphorbus
As long as they have been playing together, why is it that Walker and Zeller do not run a smooth pick-and-roll? Not this season, at least.

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:05 am
by catch20two
euphorbus wrote:As long as they have been playing together, why is it that Walker and Zeller do not run a smooth pick-and-roll? Not this season, at least.

Because Cody don’t have good enough hands to catch the ball in traffic often and saying he can barely finish over the average NBA SG at the rim might be a overstatement.

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:10 am
by yosemiteben
catch20two wrote:
euphorbus wrote:As long as they have been playing together, why is it that Walker and Zeller do not run a smooth pick-and-roll? Not this season, at least.

Because Cody don’t have good enough hands to catch the ball in traffic often and saying he can barely finish over the average NBA SG at the rim might be a overstatement.

I don't buy that. The Batum - Cody PNR was a thing of beauty for a while. Cody doesn't have bad hands.

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:14 am
by catch20two
yosemiteben wrote:
catch20two wrote:
euphorbus wrote:As long as they have been playing together, why is it that Walker and Zeller do not run a smooth pick-and-roll? Not this season, at least.

Because Cody don’t have good enough hands to catch the ball in traffic often and saying he can barely finish over the average NBA SG at the rim might be a overstatement.

I don't buy that. The Batum - Cody PNR was a thing of beauty for a while. Cody doesn't have bad hands.

Cody drops a lot of passes in traffic right off his hands.

I’m not even familiar with Batum doing a PnR. He’s more of a fake the pick n slip guy.

However Kemba and Cody PnR has success albeit mostly being Kemba shooting off the pick or taking advantage of the big on the switch.

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:16 am
by yosemiteben
catch20two wrote:I’m not even familiar with Batum doing a PnR. He’s more of a fake the pick n slip guy.

Really dude? The Batum - Cody PNR was a staple when Batum got here and the next season. We talked about it all the time on here.

EDIT: Lamar even did a YouTube vid documenting it -

Watch on YouTube

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:35 am
by Diop
yosemiteben wrote:
catch20two wrote:I’m not even familiar with Batum doing a PnR. He’s more of a fake the pick n slip guy.

Really dude? The Batum - Cody PNR was a staple when Batum got here and the next season. We talked about it all the time on here.

EDIT: Lamar even did a YouTube vid documenting it -

why dont they attempt that anymore??

what a way to get 2 of our underachievers involved

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:47 am
by catch20two
yosemiteben wrote:
catch20two wrote:I’m not even familiar with Batum doing a PnR. He’s more of a fake the pick n slip guy.

Really dude? The Batum - Cody PNR was a staple when Batum got here and the next season. We talked about it all the time on here.

EDIT: Lamar even did a YouTube vid documenting it -

Seems like eons ago.

Definitely something that they should go to when Kemba is struggling and Lamb can’t create to change things up a bit.

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:54 pm
by BigSlam
Diop wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
catch20two wrote:I’m not even familiar with Batum doing a PnR. He’s more of a fake the pick n slip guy.

Really dude? The Batum - Cody PNR was a staple when Batum got here and the next season. We talked about it all the time on here.

EDIT: Lamar even did a YouTube vid documenting it -

why dont they attempt that anymore??

what a way to get 2 of our underachievers involved

Because JB runs a pass and replace, motion type offense.

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:19 pm
by CatgutStitches
Redick: The way you play, too, a lot is asked of you in terms of playing both sides of the ball. I mean, when we played Charlotte, you had to guard Kemba Walker in the second half of the game.

Butler: Kemba gave me 60. Let’s go to a different game.

Redick: The other night, second half, you had to guard Blake Griffin.

Butler: Locked that up. Blake can’t score on me. I don’t care what you say. You heard that, Blake. Ain’t worried about you.


:lol:

Re: Making Charlotte Pop - The Kemba Walker Thread 4

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:00 pm
by euphorbus
Free Agency Looming:

https://sports.yahoo.com/kemba-walker-hornets-free-agency-looming-183429098.html

<“I’ve been doing this. Of course, my points are higher, but that’s really it,” Walker said. “The way I’m playing, I’ve been playing like this the last couple years.”>

Amen, brother.