Who do we need to trade the most?

[JDR720]

?

[Liver_Pooty]

No one. Miles and Monk need to grow. Batum is honestly the worst contract in the league. Bad thread.

[Braggins]

Nicky Bats

[BigSlam]

Kaminsky.



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[KembaWalker]

Kemba

but I realize you cant say that around here and it would hurt too badly.

so I'll say Monk+draft picks because I think thats our only way to get a decent player

[amcoolio]

I would happily swap Batum for a worse contract. Love, Thompson, Wall, there has to be a trade out there

[DY_nasty]

i'll take 'Players Who Aren't Kemba' for 100, Alex

[Benjamin Linus]

It's been beaten to death, but it's a shame to have a superstar like Kemba Walker and the absolute gift of having him on a contract making 12 million a season and we were never able to build an actual good team. All the high draft picks and stars we passed on. 55 million tied up between Biz, Nic and Marv this season (almost half of our payroll) and you could just waive all three of those guys and we'd probably have the same record. Nah scratch that, we'd probably have a better record. You would have to go out of your way and to extreme lengths to do a worse job than Jordan and Cho.

[MasterIchiro]

It's been beaten to death, but it's a shame to have a superstar like Kemba Walker and the absolute gift of having him on a contract making 12 million a season and we were never able to build an actual good team. All the high draft picks and stars we passed on. 55 million tied up between Biz, Nic and Marv this season (almost half of our payroll) and you could just waive all three of those guys and we'd probably have the same record. Nah scratch that, we'd probably have a better record. You would have to go out of your way and to extreme lengths to do a worse job than Jordan and Cho.

After all this time we're still eating Cho's special pu pu platter. I'd rather starve. Sad face.

[HornetJail]

I wonder what our salary books would look like if we traded Batum for some trash player on a 2-year contract, and then cut and stretched him, Marvin, and Biyombo starting next summer... would we have cap space to work with?

EDIT: For argument's sake, let's say we gift the Pelicans Nic Batum for Chandler Parsons. I think we can do better than someone who literally doesn't play but let's use him as a conservative estimate. Marvin, Biz, Parsons all expire in 2020, making a combined $57M (!!!). MKG is also an expiring but we need him, so he stays in this scenario. Let's say we let Parker go because Devonte is ready for backup duties, and Lamb and Frank continue to suck so we cut them loose.

Kemba has an $18M cap hold for the 2019 offseason. This becomes important if we manage to get under the cap somehow. It's a full $14M less than what his max contract actually is.
MKG makes $13M.
Zeller makes $14M.
Miles, Devonte, Monk, Bacon, Willy combine for $9.8M.
Our 2019 1st round makes roughly $2.2M (estimate to keep the numbers easy)
That's $57M in useful salary.

With that Batum/Parsons swap, we have $57M in useless contracts, all 1-year deals at this point. Not the worst thing in the world. That puts us over the projected $107M cap by a little bit, gives us the full MLE under the tax. But July 1st comes around and Kemba says, "I need some help right now this summer otherwise I'm leaving. I'm not waiting till 2020. Give me actually running mate right now."

Turning those three contracts totaling $57M into 3 years $19M dead salary per opens up a whopping $38M in space for us to work with in the summer 2019. It sucks for future seasons, but there is no future without Kemba. Doing this gives us $31M in pure cap space that we can use before re-signing Kemba. That's basically the max.

[bravor]

The problem is the luxury tax since Hornets are hard capped. With current roster and contracts, the team has 29M roughly below the luxury cap for 2019/20 before Kemba's extension.

Kemba's max extension would be 188M, which would be around 37M/y. According to that article, other teams can "only" offer up to 139/4, something in the 34ishM/y.

That being said, if Kemba was to accept a little discount (lol i know..), something in the 165M range could satisfy both sides.
I have done another projection based on a 165M extension. For instance, that would require to renounce to Parker & Kaminsky to stay under the tax.
But this means that Kupchak before anything, has to restore flexibility. Which means we can't afford to take a bad contract. Unless miraculously he can find a taker for Batum without giving up good assets (1st picks, Miles, Monk, MKG, Cody).



there are way too many good expiring to swallow any bad contracts. Ideal partners would be Sacramento, including for Batum if they are not greedy.
Best case scenario would be to trade Marvin for a useful expiring (either at sg, like Matthews - hornets would need to add to match -, either T. Young who is underperforming in Indy, something like this).
Other targets could be J. Green (vs Lamb?), Lin (cf Atlanta)..

I doubt Biyombo and Batum will be easily moved so i 'd rather focus on what others could bring back. Even Cody.

[catch20two]

It's been beaten to death, but it's a shame to have a superstar like Kemba Walker and the absolute gift of having him on a contract making 12 million a season and we were never able to build an actual good team. All the high draft picks and stars we passed on. 55 million tied up between Biz, Nic and Marv this season (almost half of our payroll) and you could just waive all three of those guys and we'd probably have the same record. Nah scratch that, we'd probably have a better record. You would have to go out of your way and to extreme lengths to do a worse job than Jordan and Cho.

After all this time we're still eating Cho's special pu pu platter. I'd rather starve. Sad face.

Eh man we resisted and fought against this pu pu platter Cho whipped up the whole time it was being served up but everyone else enjoyed it, some even asked for seconds and leftovers.

Players that were overhyped and allowed to stick around include Batum, Marvin, and Cody. That’s 3 starters making individually 15+ million a year that can barely and/or can’t average double figures in scoring.

[Najee12]

Eh man we resisted and fought against this pu pu platter Cho whipped up the whole time it was being served up but everyone else enjoyed it, some even asked for seconds and leftovers.

Players that were overhyped and allowed to stick around include Batum, Marvin, and Cody. That’s 3 starters making individually 15+ million a year that can barely and/or can’t average double figures in scoring.

Don't forget Charlotte also has two bench players -- Bismack Biyombo and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist -- making at least that amount of money. Biyombo is not even in the rotation. The Hornets may have the worst collection of bad contracts on one team in the NBA.

I recalled coming up with some ideas on this thread to get rid of these spare parts but some of the people on these boards thought it was better to keep these bad contracts. The problem is not only the bad play to no contribution, but all of these guys have at least one more year after this season on their deals. In the case of Batum and Zeller, they have two more years on their contracts after this season.

[Splitta]

This is a really good discussion. We do have a number of bad contracts but so does most of the other teams as well. However, one of our bad contracts stands out like a festering sore. It is Nic Batum. The other somewhat bad contracts are actually serviceable players and actually put in an effort when on the court. I include Biz is in this category as well. Batum is like a cancer to this team and refuses to adapt to the players around him. He just wants to be a facilitator and that is not what this team needs from him. He is SF that needs to look for his shot first like all other SF's. He has the ability but not the heart for the NBA. This is just my opinion but I believe that Batum can be traded to a team where he may actually fit for an expiring or one year remaining bad contract. Just removing him from this roster would improve the team and would be beneficial long term. This does not resolve the contract issue with Kemba but would be a start to fixing this roster.

[KembaWalker]

use Kemba to dump Batum
tank
re sign Kemba

ez

[Benjamin Linus]

The NBA should give teams the ability to amnesty someone once every 5 years or so. NBA front offices can't help themselves, they have always (and will always) hand out horrible contracts they'll end up regretting

The players still get paid so the NBAPA shouldn't care. It's just not fair to the fans. Seems like an easy solution to so many teams that have non-impactful players taking up a huge percentage of their capspace

[KembaWalker]

The NBA should give teams the ability to amnesty someone once every 5 years or so. NBA front offices can't help themselves, they have always (and will always) hand out horrible contracts they'll end up regretting

The players still get paid so the NBAPA shouldn't care. It's just not fair to the fans. Seems like an easy solution to so many teams that have non-impactful players taking up a huge percentage of their capspace

cant this be essentially achieved the same way with a buyout? not that we'd ever buy out that albatross contract. i guess i've never actually understood the difference between a buyout and amnesty

[BigSlam]

This is a really good discussion. We do have a number of bad contracts but so does most of the other teams as well. However, one of our bad contracts stands out like a festering sore. It is Nic Batum. The other somewhat bad contracts are actually serviceable players and actually put in an effort when on the court. I include Biz is in this category as well. Batum is like a cancer to this team and refuses to adapt to the players around him. He just wants to be a facilitator and that is not what this team needs from him. He is SF that needs to look for his shot first like all other SF's. He has the ability but not the heart for the NBA. This is just my opinion but I believe that Batum can be traded to a team where he may actually fit for an expiring or one year remaining bad contract. Just removing him from this roster would improve the team and would be beneficial long term. This does not resolve the contract issue with Kemba but would be a start to fixing this roster.

Most of your posts in any and all threads come down to you spitting hate for Batum.

I’m detecting a theme.


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[Hornet Mania]

use Kemba to dump Batum
tank
re sign Kemba

ez

Now we're thinking outside the box

[GoBobs]

obviously the terrible shooter who doesn't space the floor for other guys on the offense... Tony Parker

seriously though Tony has some of the worst percentages and takes a lot of shots. We just have no one else that can be the man when kemba is out or having an off night

Batum is shooting 40% from 3 is is not a defensive liability. plenty of teams would like to have that production if not the salary.