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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1161 » by UNCNYC » Sat Sep 5, 2020 1:19 pm

First round draft picks are nice but sooo lame lol.
UPDATED 9-25-2020

3 - Tyrell Terry, Killian Hayes, Devin Vassell, LaMelo Ball

32 - Isaiah Joe, Jay Scrubb, Ty'shon Alexander, Karim Mane, CJ Elleby, Elijah Hughes

56 - LaMar Stevens, Paul Reed, Rayshaun Hammonds, K. Doolitle

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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1162 » by UNCNYC » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:28 pm

I dunno, I guess I equate 2nd round draft picks to finding something that serves a purpose without intent.

Of course you can do that with a 1st round pick...

Take cars for instance. I LOVE(ed) Wranglers (now loving the new Bronco btw lol)
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UPDATED 9-25-2020

3 - Tyrell Terry, Killian Hayes, Devin Vassell, LaMelo Ball

32 - Isaiah Joe, Jay Scrubb, Ty'shon Alexander, Karim Mane, CJ Elleby, Elijah Hughes

56 - LaMar Stevens, Paul Reed, Rayshaun Hammonds, K. Doolitle

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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1163 » by UNCNYC » Sat Sep 5, 2020 4:51 pm

This video is kinda meh, but I posted it because I want to introduce you guys to what hopefully will be our new Charlotte Hornet. I will definitely be drafting him with our #32 pick. Oh at the end he makes 16 in a row. How fitting since 16x2=32 lol. Well I figured I would add a 2 pt layup myself lol.

UPDATED 9-25-2020

3 - Tyrell Terry, Killian Hayes, Devin Vassell, LaMelo Ball

32 - Isaiah Joe, Jay Scrubb, Ty'shon Alexander, Karim Mane, CJ Elleby, Elijah Hughes

56 - LaMar Stevens, Paul Reed, Rayshaun Hammonds, K. Doolitle

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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1164 » by amcoolio » Sat Sep 5, 2020 7:36 pm

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• 22-Year-Old Cutoff for Lottery Picks
The question about whether to avoid older players in the lottery becomes relevant again this October. Obi Toppin, college basketball's National Player of the Year, already turned 22 and is expected to draw top-five interest.

On one hand, there is a perception that he's one of the safest options based on his physical profile and production. On the other, it's worth asking whether Toppin dominated college players because he was older and more physically developed. And then, does he still have the same window to improve? After all, he'll be starting his pro career later and closer to his ceiling.

• The Late Riser
• Low-Assist Wings
• Low-Block Bigs
• No Bankable Skill
The "master of none" prospects in the 2020 draft to worry about include potential lottery picks Deni Avdija, Isaac Okoro, Precious Achiuwa, Patrick Williams and RJ Hampton.


Good read. Thanks.

Avdija is still really young and playing against men and putting up winning basketball, and Okoro has Heat culture-like hunger so I like both of those, but I agree on Toppin. Want no part of him. Toppin would be good for the Nets or a team that needs to contend for the finals in the next few years.
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1165 » by UNCNYC » Sat Sep 5, 2020 11:58 pm

I wonder if anyone will fall to 56 pick. I would LOVE if Zeke Nnaji did.

PICK 3 - Killian Hayes

PICK 32 - Isaiah Joe

PICK 56 - Zeke Nnaji

That would be my dream draft. Not sure if Zeke will fall that far. I have seen some weird mocks with Tyler Bey and Tyrell Terry falling to 45. I would love something weird like Balmoro at 56.

Who I would take in order if fell to us at 56

CJ Elleby
LaMar Stevens
Elijah Huges
Rayshaun Hammonds
Paul Reed
Kristian Doolitle
Reggie Perry
Ty'shon Alexander
Karim Mane
UPDATED 9-25-2020

3 - Tyrell Terry, Killian Hayes, Devin Vassell, LaMelo Ball

32 - Isaiah Joe, Jay Scrubb, Ty'shon Alexander, Karim Mane, CJ Elleby, Elijah Hughes

56 - LaMar Stevens, Paul Reed, Rayshaun Hammonds, K. Doolitle

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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1166 » by UNCNYC » Sun Sep 6, 2020 1:13 pm

I want us to invite Jarron Cumberland to summer league if he goes undrafted so we can create a thread called

"HULK REIGNS" the Jarron Cumberland thread lol. I am a fan man. Dude has star potential.

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UPDATED 9-25-2020

3 - Tyrell Terry, Killian Hayes, Devin Vassell, LaMelo Ball

32 - Isaiah Joe, Jay Scrubb, Ty'shon Alexander, Karim Mane, CJ Elleby, Elijah Hughes

56 - LaMar Stevens, Paul Reed, Rayshaun Hammonds, K. Doolitle

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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1167 » by driveandkick » Sun Sep 6, 2020 5:09 pm

If he has star potential why would he go undrafted?
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2) Anthony Edwards
3) Killian Hayes
4) Onyeka Okongwu
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1168 » by UNCNYC » Sun Sep 6, 2020 5:29 pm

driveandkick wrote:If he has star potential why would he go undrafted?


I hope he doesn't go undrafted but just because I see the star potential in him doesn't mean someone else would.
UPDATED 9-25-2020

3 - Tyrell Terry, Killian Hayes, Devin Vassell, LaMelo Ball

32 - Isaiah Joe, Jay Scrubb, Ty'shon Alexander, Karim Mane, CJ Elleby, Elijah Hughes

56 - LaMar Stevens, Paul Reed, Rayshaun Hammonds, K. Doolitle

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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1169 » by UNCNYC » Sun Sep 6, 2020 5:31 pm

My last post on Cumberland but he could give a team 3 positions imo. We don't need him on this team due to the Martin twins. He imo is like them but with more edge... and more star appeal. (not superstar but more like a cult following). Here is my last video on him. Unlike the other videos this one shows him both as a PG and as a SG/SF. Good value pick late

UPDATED 9-25-2020

3 - Tyrell Terry, Killian Hayes, Devin Vassell, LaMelo Ball

32 - Isaiah Joe, Jay Scrubb, Ty'shon Alexander, Karim Mane, CJ Elleby, Elijah Hughes

56 - LaMar Stevens, Paul Reed, Rayshaun Hammonds, K. Doolitle

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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1170 » by UNCNYC » Sun Sep 6, 2020 8:26 pm

I have narrowed my number 1 pick kinda to 2 players. Those players are Killian Hayes and believe it or not Tyrell Terry. If not for Hayes I think I would take Terry with our 3rd pick. What I would do if I were GM is trade the 3rd pick and hope we can get Terry at like 15.

PICK 3 - Tyrell Terry

PICK 32 - Isaiah Joe

PICK 56 - CJ Elleby, LaMar Stevens, Jay Scrubb

and pick up a future 1st or 2.

I am even considering drafting Terry without the first rounders thrown in. I doubt highly I would over Hayes tho. I HOPE Terry doesn't drop to pick 32 because he is the only player that would give me a little thought with who to take between he and Joe.
UPDATED 9-25-2020

3 - Tyrell Terry, Killian Hayes, Devin Vassell, LaMelo Ball

32 - Isaiah Joe, Jay Scrubb, Ty'shon Alexander, Karim Mane, CJ Elleby, Elijah Hughes

56 - LaMar Stevens, Paul Reed, Rayshaun Hammonds, K. Doolitle

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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1172 » by countryboi » Mon Sep 7, 2020 2:47 am

amcoolio wrote:
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• 22-Year-Old Cutoff for Lottery Picks
The question about whether to avoid older players in the lottery becomes relevant again this October. Obi Toppin, college basketball's National Player of the Year, already turned 22 and is expected to draw top-five interest.

On one hand, there is a perception that he's one of the safest options based on his physical profile and production. On the other, it's worth asking whether Toppin dominated college players because he was older and more physically developed. And then, does he still have the same window to improve? After all, he'll be starting his pro career later and closer to his ceiling.

• The Late Riser
• Low-Assist Wings
• Low-Block Bigs
• No Bankable Skill
The "master of none" prospects in the 2020 draft to worry about include potential lottery picks Deni Avdija, Isaac Okoro, Precious Achiuwa, Patrick Williams and RJ Hampton.


Good read. Thanks.

Avdija is still really young and playing against men and putting up winning basketball, and Okoro has Heat culture-like hunger so I like both of those, but I agree on Toppin. Want no part of him. Toppin would be good for the Nets or a team that needs to contend for the finals in the next few years.


he lost me when he blasted Buddy Hield, i think that was a poor example for his point
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1173 » by UNCNYC » Mon Sep 7, 2020 2:58 am

To me the top 10 players in this whole draft in order are

1. Killian Hayes
2. Tyrell Terry
3. Devon Dotson
4. Isaiah Joe
5. LaMelo Ball
6. Ty'shon Alexander
7. Devin Vassell
8. Patrick WIlliams
9. Leandro Balmaro
10. JaDen McDaniels
UPDATED 9-25-2020

3 - Tyrell Terry, Killian Hayes, Devin Vassell, LaMelo Ball

32 - Isaiah Joe, Jay Scrubb, Ty'shon Alexander, Karim Mane, CJ Elleby, Elijah Hughes

56 - LaMar Stevens, Paul Reed, Rayshaun Hammonds, K. Doolitle

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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1174 » by Braggins » Mon Sep 7, 2020 3:48 am


Recap for anyone who doesn't want to listen to the entire thing.

They only talked about four guys in our range at #3.

They both liked Killian Hayes. Pearlman seemed to think hes pretty good, but not great. Said he needs to improve his shot and right hand. Said he has some counters to teams forcing him right already because he has a decent pullup going right. Said his ceiling is probably around 8th-12th best PG in the league. Said he is a good player, but likely won't be an offensive engine by himself, which would limit him relative to the elite tier PGs. They both liked him as a pickup for NY if he makes it to 8, but Pearlman said he has a good chance of going top 5.

They both were really low on Obi Toppin. Basically said hes going to be an absolute disaster defensively and has less upside being 22 already. Pearlman said he'll have value as a high level finisher and vertical spacer, is a good passer, and has shooting potential, but neither though he would be a good pick even at 8 for NY.

The NY guy didn't want them to take Wiseman if he fell to 8 and didn't seem too high on him, but he didn't really say anything specific about his game and it wasn't clear if that was because they already have Mitchell Robinson, or he just doesn't like him as a prospect. Pearlman wasn't super high on him, but thought he was a good prospect and safe bet to be a good player if he plays a Gobert like role and doesn't try to shoot jumpers until he develops his shot for a couple years. Basically said he'll be a good rebounder and rim protector and a good finisher and vertical spacer on offense. Pearlman specifically said he though he was a safe pickup for Charlotte because they needed a big and he likes his fit with PJ (who he loves).

Pearlman talked a little bit about Okongwu. Said he should be an excellent and versatile defender. Said hes a really good finisher with either hand and explodes to the rim with a lot of power. Said he showed flashes of being a good passer, but didn't get utilized very much in the short roll because he got played at PF a lot. He never said anything about what range he thinks he'll get picked.
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1175 » by Braggins » Mon Sep 7, 2020 3:57 am

amcoolio wrote:
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• 22-Year-Old Cutoff for Lottery Picks
The question about whether to avoid older players in the lottery becomes relevant again this October. Obi Toppin, college basketball's National Player of the Year, already turned 22 and is expected to draw top-five interest.

On one hand, there is a perception that he's one of the safest options based on his physical profile and production. On the other, it's worth asking whether Toppin dominated college players because he was older and more physically developed. And then, does he still have the same window to improve? After all, he'll be starting his pro career later and closer to his ceiling.

• The Late Riser
• Low-Assist Wings
• Low-Block Bigs
• No Bankable Skill
The "master of none" prospects in the 2020 draft to worry about include potential lottery picks Deni Avdija, Isaac Okoro, Precious Achiuwa, Patrick Williams and RJ Hampton.


Good read. Thanks.

Avdija is still really young and playing against men and putting up winning basketball, and Okoro has Heat culture-like hunger so I like both of those, but I agree on Toppin. Want no part of him. Toppin would be good for the Nets or a team that needs to contend for the finals in the next few years.

I liked how in the section about bigs with low block rates, three of the first five players mentioned were lottery picks by the Hornets during the Cho/Clifford era lol.
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1176 » by luciano-davidwesley » Mon Sep 7, 2020 5:12 am

Braggins wrote:

Recap for anyone who doesn't want to listen to the entire thing.

They only talked about four guys in our range at #3.

They both liked Killian Hayes. Pearlman seemed to think hes pretty good, but not great. Said he needs to improve his shot and right hand. Said he has some counters to teams forcing him right already because he has a decent pullup going right. Said his ceiling is probably around 8th-12th best PG in the league. Said he is a good player, but likely won't be an offensive engine by himself, which would limit him relative to the elite tier PGs. They both liked him as a pickup for NY if he makes it to 8, but Pearlman said he has a good chance of going top 5.

They both were really low on Obi Toppin. Basically said hes going to be an absolute disaster defensively and has less upside being 22 already. Pearlman said he'll have value as a high level finisher and vertical spacer, is a good passer, and has shooting potential, but neither though he would be a good pick even at 8 for NY.

The NY guy didn't want them to take Wiseman if he fell to 8 and didn't seem too high on him, but he didn't really say anything specific about his game and it wasn't clear if that was because they already have Mitchell Robinson, or he just doesn't like him as a prospect. Pearlman wasn't super high on him, but thought he was a good prospect and safe bet to be a good player if he plays a Gobert like role and doesn't try to shoot jumpers until he develops his shot for a couple years. Basically said he'll be a good rebounder and rim protector and a good finisher and vertical spacer on offense. Pearlman specifically said he though he was a safe pickup for Charlotte because they needed a big and he likes his fit with PJ (who he loves).

Pearlman talked a little bit about Okongwu. Said he should be an excellent and versatile defender. Said hes a really good finisher with either hand and explodes to the rim with a lot of power. Said he showed flashes of being a good passer, but didn't get utilized very much in the short roll because he got played at PF a lot. He never said anything about what range he thinks he'll get picked.


Thanks for the recap. Pretty much reinforces my thoughts re: Toppin and Hayes.
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1177 » by luciano-davidwesley » Mon Sep 7, 2020 5:13 am

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amcoolio wrote:
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• 22-Year-Old Cutoff for Lottery Picks
The question about whether to avoid older players in the lottery becomes relevant again this October. Obi Toppin, college basketball's National Player of the Year, already turned 22 and is expected to draw top-five interest.

On one hand, there is a perception that he's one of the safest options based on his physical profile and production. On the other, it's worth asking whether Toppin dominated college players because he was older and more physically developed. And then, does he still have the same window to improve? After all, he'll be starting his pro career later and closer to his ceiling.

• The Late Riser
• Low-Assist Wings
• Low-Block Bigs
• No Bankable Skill
The "master of none" prospects in the 2020 draft to worry about include potential lottery picks Deni Avdija, Isaac Okoro, Precious Achiuwa, Patrick Williams and RJ Hampton.


Good read. Thanks.

Avdija is still really young and playing against men and putting up winning basketball, and Okoro has Heat culture-like hunger so I like both of those, but I agree on Toppin. Want no part of him. Toppin would be good for the Nets or a team that needs to contend for the finals in the next few years.

I liked how in the section about bigs with low block rates, three of the first five players mentioned were lottery picks by the Hornets during the Cho/Clifford era lol.


He pretty much could have made another category: Anyone Rich Cho is high on
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1178 » by Diop » Mon Sep 7, 2020 5:24 am

UNCNYC wrote:My last post on Cumberland but he could give a team 3 positions imo. We don't need him on this team due to the Martin twins. He imo is like them but with more edge... and more star appeal. (not superstar but more like a cult following). Here is my last video on him. Unlike the other videos this one shows him both as a PG and as a SG/SF. Good value pick late


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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1179 » by fatlever » Mon Sep 7, 2020 5:34 am

amcoolio wrote:
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• 22-Year-Old Cutoff for Lottery Picks
The question about whether to avoid older players in the lottery becomes relevant again this October. Obi Toppin, college basketball's National Player of the Year, already turned 22 and is expected to draw top-five interest.

On one hand, there is a perception that he's one of the safest options based on his physical profile and production. On the other, it's worth asking whether Toppin dominated college players because he was older and more physically developed. And then, does he still have the same window to improve? After all, he'll be starting his pro career later and closer to his ceiling.

• The Late Riser
• Low-Assist Wings
• Low-Block Bigs
• No Bankable Skill
The "master of none" prospects in the 2020 draft to worry about include potential lottery picks Deni Avdija, Isaac Okoro, Precious Achiuwa, Patrick Williams and RJ Hampton.


Good read. Thanks.

Avdija is still really young and playing against men and putting up winning basketball, and Okoro has Heat culture-like hunger so I like both of those, but I agree on Toppin. Want no part of him. Toppin would be good for the Nets or a team that needs to contend for the finals in the next few years.


article looks familiar..... hmmmm

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Eight-Common-Profiles-of-a-Bust---Back-by-Unpopular-Demand-2116/

what an amazing writer. i wonder what happened to that dude???
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1180 » by UNCNYC » Mon Sep 7, 2020 5:44 am

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UNCNYC wrote:My last post on Cumberland but he could give a team 3 positions imo. We don't need him on this team due to the Martin twins. He imo is like them but with more edge... and more star appeal. (not superstar but more like a cult following). Here is my last video on him. Unlike the other videos this one shows him both as a PG and as a SG/SF. Good value pick late


reminded me of Bacon with his bullish drives


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3 - Tyrell Terry, Killian Hayes, Devin Vassell, LaMelo Ball

32 - Isaiah Joe, Jay Scrubb, Ty'shon Alexander, Karim Mane, CJ Elleby, Elijah Hughes

56 - LaMar Stevens, Paul Reed, Rayshaun Hammonds, K. Doolitle

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