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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#681 » by luciano-davidwesley » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:19 am

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Wiseman has been productive in his limited minutes, but if you break it down LaMelo is averaging 1.36 fantasy points (assists, blocks, pts, reb, steals, threes) per minute compared to Wiseman at 1.13.

When did fantasy points become a major factor in prospect evaluation?
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#682 » by luciano-davidwesley » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:21 am

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BlackOutBuzz wrote:Yeah I don't know about this... from the first rookie ladder (Ball is 1).Image


And just from a positional value standpoint a 6-8 facilitator is always going to be more valuable to winning then a Center.

I disagree. The flavour of the month however is positionless basketball and wings though.
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#683 » by JMAC3 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:40 am

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When did fantasy points become a major factor in prospect evaluation?


It definitely isn't, just a tool to look at how productive players are on a per minute basis.
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#684 » by James Gatz » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:18 am

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BigSlam wrote:Back to Wiseman:

I wonder if what he has been able to do so far and how he has done it after being out of basketball for so long has quieted all the doubters who were vocal of their distain for him prior to the draft?

He's been super impressive.........and fluid.


I'm still waiting for a response from aome how he is like a slow lumbering Whiteside. Never understood that


Have you watched him try to guard a ball handler on the perimeter yet? He's getting lit up. Even in drop coverage guys are flying by him. He's length allows him to make up for it in certain moments, but it's not been promising.

I was too low on Wiseman predraft, but all of my concerns are still there. He isn't an elite rebounder, has 3 assist to 17 TOs, and is bad defensively. It's also 10 games into the season, so I'm hopeful he will improve. Seems like a good kid and his highlights are a blast. The defense will certainly get better, can't get much worse, but the feel for passing isn't something guys tend to make huge strides in.

I'm still very glad we didn't get the opportunity to draft him. I believe we would have taken him had we landed at 1 or 2. After watching LaMelo I feel vindicated that he's the best guy in this draft.
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#685 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:35 am

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Liver_Pooty wrote:
BigSlam wrote:Back to Wiseman:

I wonder if what he has been able to do so far and how he has done it after being out of basketball for so long has quieted all the doubters who were vocal of their distain for him prior to the draft?

He's been super impressive.........and fluid.


I'm still waiting for a response from aome how he is like a slow lumbering Whiteside. Never understood that


Have you watched him try to guard a ball handler on the perimeter yet? He's getting lit up. Even in drop coverage guys are flying by him. He's length allows him to make up for it in certain moments, but it's not been promising.

I was too low on Wiseman predraft, but all of my concerns are still there. He isn't an elite rebounder, has 3 assist to 17 TOs, and is bad defensively. It's also 10 games into the season, so I'm hopeful he will improve. Seems like a good kid and his highlights are a blast. The defense will certainly get better, can't get much worse, but the feel for passing isn't something guys tend to make huge strides in.

I'm still very glad we didn't get the opportunity to draft him. I believe we would have taken him had we landed at 1 or 2. After watching LaMelo I feel vindicated that he's the best guy in this draft.


Watched 2 of his games. Still don't get the Whiteside comparisons. Im more than happy with Ball, and would take him over Wiseman currently.
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#686 » by JMAC3 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:26 pm

Obviously Wiseman has shown flashes that he could be really good, but overall he has not been stellar or made a huge impact. Statistically he has been a slower starter and I wonder if there is a history of bigs who were similar.

Who is the last center to take this route?

Looking back at game logs, Embiid and Towns were dominant from day 1. I say these two first because for where they were drafted and style they play they best matchup to Wiseman hype.


Jokic was a second rounder so the first half of the season he did not play a ton because him and Nurkic were splitting time. His path is so different it is hard to compare.

Bam was not seen as a great pick from day 1, wasn't dominate in college and really was picked higher than most had him projected at 14. He also was backing up Whiteside to start career and did not have hype or opportunity that Wiseman has.

Gobert was a completely different player as well and was a late first.

I am sure there are other examples of guys from older times who were slow starters as a top 5 pick as a big and then emerged as a star later on, but none are coming to my mind right now. Does anyone know of a player that comes to mind?
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#687 » by JMAC3 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:31 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Obviously Wiseman has shown flashes that he could be really good, but overall he has not been stellar or made a huge impact. Statistically he has been a slower starter and I wonder if there is a history of bigs who were similar.

Who is the last center to take this route?

Looking back at game logs, Embiid and Towns were dominant from day 1. I say these two first because for where they were drafted and style they play they best matchup to Wiseman hype.


Jokic was a second rounder so the first half of the season he did not play a ton because him and Nurkic were splitting time. His path is so different it is hard to compare.

Bam was not seen as a great pick from day 1, wasn't dominate in college and really was picked higher than most had him projected at 14. He also was backing up Whiteside to start career and did not have hype or opportunity that Wiseman has.

Gobert was a completely different player as well and was a late first.

I am sure there are other examples of guys from older times who were slow starters as a top 5 pick as a big and then emerged as a star later on, but none are coming to my mind right now. Does anyone know of a player that comes to mind?


Did some more research on this quick. Aldridge, Dwight and Cousins weren't awesome their rookie years and they all become allstars so it definitely doesn't have to be this year.
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