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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#621 » by BigSlam » Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:11 pm

How does Wiseman compare to Ayton?
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#622 » by James Gatz » Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:24 pm

BigSlam wrote:How does Wiseman compare to Ayton?


Much less skilled offensively, worse passer, shooter, etc. Likely better rim protector but worse rebounder. Wiseman is a little bit longer. Similar athletes.

Ayton as a prospect goes number 1 no question in this draft.

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Ayton - 19.8, 11.6, 1.7

Wiseman 15, 6.4, 1.8
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#623 » by BigSlam » Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:29 pm

James Gatz wrote:
BigSlam wrote:How does Wiseman compare to Ayton?


Much less skilled offensively, worse passer, shooter, etc. Likely better rim protector but worse rebounder. Wiseman is a little bit longer. Similar athletes.

Ayton as a prospect goes number 1 no question in this draft.

EYBL Stats:

Ayton - 19.8, 11.6, 1.7

Wiseman 15, 6.4, 1.8

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TBH I haven't watched a lot of Suns games of late. How does Ayton get most of his points?
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#624 » by stinger14 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:33 pm

BigSlam wrote:How does Wiseman compare to Ayton?


Ayton probably better at this point, but I believe Wiseman will be better in 2-3 years. I compared Wiseman to David Robinson the other day, sayi g that I would never say he would be as good, but playing styles, athleticism, and overall game were similar. Some people here didn't like that comparison.....lol. However, I just saw a quote from Wisemans college coach Penny Hardaway where Penny said he had a lot of David Robinson mixed with some Chris Bosh in him. If we draft him we can only hope he ever reaches that kind of potential.
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#625 » by James Gatz » Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:39 pm

BigSlam wrote:
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BigSlam wrote:How does Wiseman compare to Ayton?


Much less skilled offensively, worse passer, shooter, etc. Likely better rim protector but worse rebounder. Wiseman is a little bit longer. Similar athletes.

Ayton as a prospect goes number 1 no question in this draft.

EYBL Stats:

Ayton - 19.8, 11.6, 1.7

Wiseman 15, 6.4, 1.8

Thanks JG!

TBH I haven't watched a lot of Suns games of late. How does Ayton get most of his points?


Here's his shot chart last year:



He scores largely around the basket but about 30% of his attempts came from 10 ft to 3pt range. Hasn't extended his range to 3 yet but I'm sure that's the next step. They post him up a bit too, couldn't find stats on that.

Didn't watch a ton of Suns last year, but I was impressed by him last year. I was lower on him in 2018. Thought Luka, JJJ, and Trae were clearly best prospects. Ayton might end up being better than 2 of those three.
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#626 » by JMAC3 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:16 pm

Ayton is a really good prospect and will probably make at least 1 all-star team in his career. Not sure he is going to ever dominate, but I like Phoenix top three of Booker, CP3 and him to make the playoffs this year.

Biggest thing with the whole situation is that both Young and Luka went after him, so I think he will always be behind those guys when it comes to best player from Draft class.
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#627 » by DY_nasty » Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:18 pm

ayton didn't even play 40 games this year because he's a dummy

dude is gonna be a hell of a player though. and with a chris paul and more time with monty? he's gonna have an incredible year
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#628 » by KGdaBom » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:06 pm

Hey Hornets fans. Lot of chatter on the Wolves board that either your or Chicago will be trading up to #1. Do you think it will happen and do you think it's worth it for Wiseman?
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Post#629 » by DY_nasty » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:09 pm

KGdaBom wrote:Hey Hornets fans. Lot of chatter on the Wolves board that either your or Chicago will be trading up to #1. Do you think it will happen and do you think it's worth it for Wiseman?

no and no
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#630 » by KGdaBom » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:11 pm

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KGdaBom wrote:Hey Hornets fans. Lot of chatter on the Wolves board that either your or Chicago will be trading up to #1. Do you think it will happen and do you think it's worth it for Wiseman?

no and no

I'm betting that #1 is being traded to a team that will take Wiseman. Whether that be you, Warriors or Bulls.
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#631 » by DY_nasty » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:12 pm

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KGdaBom wrote:Hey Hornets fans. Lot of chatter on the Wolves board that either your or Chicago will be trading up to #1. Do you think it will happen and do you think it's worth it for Wiseman?

no and no

I'm betting that #1 is being traded to a team that will take Wiseman. Whether that be you, Warriors or Bulls.

that's entirely fine when the top 3 guys haven't separated themselves from each other at all and we have a need at each position as well

why give away assets for a lateral choice?
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#632 » by KGdaBom » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:13 pm

DY_nasty wrote:
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DY_nasty wrote:no and no

I'm betting that #1 is being traded to a team that will take Wiseman. Whether that be you, Warriors or Bulls.

that's entirely fine when the top 3 guys haven't separated themselves from each other at all and we have a need at each position as well

why give away assets for a lateral choice?

Wiseman is the best choice. Not a lateral choice. My hope is that we draft him and keep him.
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#633 » by yosemiteben » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:15 pm

I don't think we do it, but it wouldn't surprise me. I do think there is more of a lateral choice between the consensus top 3, so I don't expect huge value to be exchanged if we do move up.
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#634 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:37 pm

KGdaBom wrote:Hey Hornets fans. Lot of chatter on the Wolves board that either your or Chicago will be trading up to #1. Do you think it will happen and do you think it's worth it for Wiseman?


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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#635 » by KGdaBom » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:40 pm

yosemiteben wrote:I don't think we do it, but it wouldn't surprise me. I do think there is more of a lateral choice between the consensus top 3, so I don't expect huge value to be exchanged if we do move up.

Bridges and 32 is what's rumored so not huge at all. As a Wolves fan I can dream of Washington or your next years top 5 protected #1 going unprotected in 22 of not conveyed in 21. :D
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#636 » by DY_nasty » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:45 pm

cmon breh you were cool before but now you're just being trifling for the hell of it lol
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#637 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:55 pm

I think that it's FAR more likely that Chicago is trading up for LaMelo than it would be Charlotte trading up for Wiseman. But who knows? We'll find out soon.
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#638 » by Chapelchilla » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:57 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:I don't think we do it, but it wouldn't surprise me. I do think there is more of a lateral choice between the consensus top 3, so I don't expect huge value to be exchanged if we do move up.

Bridges and 32 is what's rumored so not huge at all. As a Wolves fan I can dream of Washington or your next years top 5 protected #1 going unprotected in 22 of not conveyed in 21. :D



Bridges and a high second rounder is not huge at all? Cmon dude.
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#639 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:58 pm

It would certainly be ironic if the Hornets traded up and picked someone other than Wiseman. lol.
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Re: Prospect Thread: James Wiseman 

Post#640 » by KGdaBom » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:02 pm

Chapelchilla wrote:
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yosemiteben wrote:I don't think we do it, but it wouldn't surprise me. I do think there is more of a lateral choice between the consensus top 3, so I don't expect huge value to be exchanged if we do move up.

Bridges and 32 is what's rumored so not huge at all. As a Wolves fan I can dream of Washington or your next years top 5 protected #1 going unprotected in 22 of not conveyed in 21. :D



Bridges and a high second rounder is not huge at all? Cmon dude.

Our perspective is that Bridges has been a disappointment, but since we don't have a single legit SF on our team we would take him. 2nd round picks you can buy for cash. So no. Not even in the realm or large.

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