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Prospect Thread: Killian Hayes

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Re: Prospect Thread: Killian Hayes 

Post#21 » by KingCat » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:05 am

Hmm I take back my NAW comparison I made early. After watching more from him I see a guy that could have a Goran Dragic type game in the league. I should mention I love Dragic so I personally think Hayes would be a damn fine pick at number 3.
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Post#22 » by wilson115 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:20 am

UNCNYC wrote:On a site years ago I actually said that turnovers can be a good thing and people thought I was nuts lol. What I meant by that is just because a player turns the ball over a little more than they should could mean the player is trying to create an offense rather than be passive and play to avoid a turnover which can be good as well but it's all about the eye test. I am not a stat guy at all. The only stat imo that ever really tells the truth is rebounding. I think Hayes will start out slower than most other rooks and improve over a couple years

Interesting way to look at it. Kinda tracks with my impression of him as well, he just looks like someone who loves what he's doing, to the point he needs to tone down his enthusiasm. And I agree he's far from a finished product, he says he actually wanted to go through the whole prep-school-to-NCAA thing but his dad talked him into turning pro in France as a 16-year-old, so there's reason to hope there's room for growth once he comes over. Physically, though most sites now put him at well over 200 lbs., he clearly isn't done filling out, I just look at how much Monk improved this year after bulking up and feel the trainers could do the same for Killian.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2847971-killian-hayes-is-coming-to-claim-his-basketball-birthright

Rob Dauster said Hayes might have trouble co-existing with another ballhandler since he isn't a proven catch-and-shoot guy, which seems to be a theme here seeing we've got Devonte'. It's actually Hayes's C&S percentages (just >20%) that drag down his 3FG% overall, he's close to 40% shooting off the bounce. He's not one to let it fly like JJ Reddick but if he can get the ball and create with the clock ticking down I'd say he's just as valuable. Someone like Jeremy Lin who had a career year playing next to Kemba. Besides, looking at what Dallas's bench is doing to the Clippers it seems the trend is toward multiple scoring ballhandlers.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Killian Hayes 

Post#23 » by wilson115 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:22 am

KingCat wrote:Hmm I take back my NAW comparison I made early. After watching more from him I see a guy that could have a Goran Dragic type game in the league. I should mention I love Dragic so I personally think Hayes would be a damn fine pick at number 3.

Heady praise seeing Dragic is imo one of the best playing ... as much as I despise him for what he's done to us more times than I'd want to remember.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Killian Hayes 

Post#24 » by a-French-Fan » Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:26 am

I don't think picking a PG at #3 is the best idea when Devonte Graham shows that he can handle the team in the future... Graham and Hayes? Hayes as a SG? Why not, but he is a PG IMO
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Re: Prospect Thread: Killian Hayes 

Post#25 » by amcoolio » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:14 pm

a-French-Fan wrote:I don't think picking a PG at #3 is the best idea when Devonte Graham shows that he can handle the team in the future... Graham and Hayes? Hayes as a SG? Why not, but he is a PG IMO


Graham would be fine as an off-ball 2 that plays PG when Hayes is off the floor

Also there's no guarantee Graham stays as if he plays like this another year he will require the max and a team that strikes out on top FA in 2021 might entice him with a **** of money
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Post#26 » by Braggins » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:24 pm

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a-French-Fan wrote:I don't think picking a PG at #3 is the best idea when Devonte Graham shows that he can handle the team in the future... Graham and Hayes? Hayes as a SG? Why not, but he is a PG IMO


Graham would be fine as an off-ball 2 that plays PG when Hayes is off the floor

Also there's no guarantee Graham stays as if he plays like this another year he will require the max and a team that strikes out on top FA in 2021 might entice him with a **** of money

A playmaking PG with the size to guard SG's is actually a perfect fit for this roster. Graham has the shooting stroke and IQ to do well off ball and having another lead ball handler to take the heat off of him would potentially do wonders for his overall efficiency.

Monk could also be mitigated on defense and unlocked on offense if paired with a player like Hayes/Haliburton.
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Post#27 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:15 pm

The team could more easily move Terry if they had someone like Hayes on the roster as well.
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Post#28 » by BigSlam » Sat Aug 29, 2020 3:49 am

What’s Hayes like defensively?

He has a great physical make up, but is he a good/willing one on one and team defender?


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Post#29 » by wilson115 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:03 pm

BigSlam wrote:What’s Hayes like defensively?

He has a great physical make up, but is he a good/willing one on one and team defender?

Pearlman likes his help defense.

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Post#30 » by 316Hornets » Sat Aug 29, 2020 10:53 pm

Just watching this guys highlights and find him kind of boring. I guess that can be a good thing because he's rather methodical.
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Post#31 » by KGdaBom » Wed Sep 2, 2020 3:29 am

yosemiteben wrote:Really not interested in Ball so this is my guy.

Definitely the best PG in the draft.
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Post#32 » by KGdaBom » Wed Sep 2, 2020 3:31 am

LofJ wrote:Players whose names start with K or L tend to do really well in the league for some reason.

Kobe Bryant
Larry Bird
Lebron James
Luka Doncic
Kemba Walker
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Durant
Kevin Love
Klay Thompson
Kawhi Leonard
Kris Middleton
Kyle Lowry
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar / Lou Alcindor

Going by this the pick should be Killian Hayes or Lamello Ball (although his brother Lonzo might have killed his L luck).

How could you forget to mention Kevin Garnett?
I also love Kevin Johnson.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Killian Hayes 

Post#33 » by KGdaBom » Wed Sep 2, 2020 3:45 am

bravor wrote:Considering the 'luck' this franchise has with frenchies, i'd rather see him get picked elsewhere. Especially because i like him a lot (much more than Maledon since they are with Cazalon the leaders of this generation).
Detroit would be my favorite for him since he knows Doumbouya pretty well and Sekou is a coach nightmare (behavior wise). Hopefully he could help fix his motivation and commitment while providing the Pistons a good boost on both ends.

Vassell might be a better fit if Edwards it not available and if Kupchak wants a sg that can fit with Graham. Even though i hope the plan is to get one of the bigs (Wiseman or Okongwu) in this case.

Hayes does seem a good fit for the Pistons, but he's a tall combo guard who would pair well with Graham IMO.
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Post#34 » by amcoolio » Wed Sep 2, 2020 3:56 am

If he could use his right hand he'd be the #1 overall pick. But its tough taking a guy with such a clear weakness that teams can gameplan for. Still like him though. Maybe he impresses in workouts.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Killian Hayes 

Post#35 » by KGdaBom » Wed Sep 2, 2020 4:01 am

amcoolio wrote:If he could use his right hand he'd be the #1 overall pick. But its tough taking a guy with such a clear weakness that teams can gameplan for. Still like him though. Maybe he impresses in workouts.

Good point. I had forgotten about the one handedness. While reading this thread a guy named K Hayes came up to bat for the Pirates. He got out this time, but had homered to tie the game the inning before. Is that a good or bad omen?
Now he's the guy placed on second to start the 10th inning. Pirates behind 7-6 to the Cubs. I'm entertaining myself with this K Hayes thing. :lol: :lol:
K Hayes just scored the tying run.
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Post#36 » by wilson115 » Wed Sep 2, 2020 5:54 am

Hayes's trainer, ex-Piston Will Bynum:

It was Dumars who introduced Bynum to Hayes. ISE hired Hayes’ agent, Yann Balikouzou, in July 2019 as their director of international operations. Hayes is now represented by ISE, and Bynum began training him last summer. Hayes continued to work out with Bynum until March, when the COVID-19 pandemic interrupted their training schedule. Bynum is hopeful that they’ll find a way to get back on the court before the draft.

“His mindset is different because he wants to be the best at it, and this is the only thing he sees,” he continued. “Some kids, they have a little bit more that they see because of the environments that they grew up in. So it’s a different dynamic with those types of kids. With a kid like that, I can see the development and the process of getting better a little more easier because of his foundation.”

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/08/09/detroit-piston-bynum-killian-hayes-nba-draft/3327098001/
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Post#37 » by luciano-davidwesley » Wed Sep 2, 2020 9:22 am

KGdaBom wrote:
LofJ wrote:Players whose names start with K or L tend to do really well in the league for some reason.

Kobe Bryant
Larry Bird
Lebron James
Luka Doncic
Kemba Walker
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Durant
Kevin Love
Klay Thompson
Kawhi Leonard
Kris Middleton
Kyle Lowry
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar / Lou Alcindor

Going by this the pick should be Killian Hayes or Lamello Ball (although his brother Lonzo might have killed his L luck).

How could you forget to mention Kevin Garnett?
I also love Kevin Johnson.


No mention of Larry Johnson?
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Post#38 » by KGdaBom » Wed Sep 2, 2020 10:39 am

luciano-davidwesley wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
LofJ wrote:Players whose names start with K or L tend to do really well in the league for some reason.

Kobe Bryant
Larry Bird
Lebron James
Luka Doncic
Kemba Walker
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Durant
Kevin Love
Klay Thompson
Kawhi Leonard
Kris Middleton
Kyle Lowry
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar / Lou Alcindor

Going by this the pick should be Killian Hayes or Lamello Ball (although his brother Lonzo might have killed his L luck).

How could you forget to mention Kevin Garnett?
I also love Kevin Johnson.


No mention of Larry Johnson?

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Re: Prospect Thread: Killian Hayes 

Post#39 » by luciano-davidwesley » Thu Sep 3, 2020 2:04 am

KGdaBom wrote:
luciano-davidwesley wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:How could you forget to mention Kevin Garnett?
I also love Kevin Johnson.


No mention of Larry Johnson?

Grandmama being left out doesn't bother me. :D

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Post#40 » by KGdaBom » Thu Sep 3, 2020 2:10 am

luciano-davidwesley wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
luciano-davidwesley wrote:
No mention of Larry Johnson?

Grandmama being left out doesn't bother me. :D

Imminent ban :P

Did he play for the Hornets or Bobcats or whatever they were called then? I watched him way more at UNLV. :lol:

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