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Post#21 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Oct 5, 2020 2:25 pm

Hearing noise about LaMelo going #1 so I'm hoping for Edwards or Avdija to fall and obviously we can't control the Warriors' choice at #2. I'm happy with either player. I would be thrilled if Edwards - Avdija don't go 1 - 2 leaving us in a situation where we have to trade Ball, given I love Devonte'. I also hate that he shoots like MKG and I already suffer from MKGPTSD.

What to do about center? I view Zeller as an overpaid bench big but I can see him having more value than MKG or Marvin as an expiring (both worthless). This is a better FA class for teams angling to free up money. I'm quite open to unloading him and unlocking even second round value. I don't want Horford's contract. I'm very open to selecting a center with pick 32. I like Oturu (who may be gone) but also open to Tillman. I'd like to sign Christian Wood.

Trades: I don't see a blockbuster. The roster is narrowly focused on Kupchak's core while remnants of Cho's Reign of Error will fade away without Kupchak ever attaching an asset to unload them but also never positioned to receive one given the knock-off merchandise of fake NBA talent he inherited. I think it would be tough to unload expiring Batum even for a bad contract because he's unplayable.

My ideal off-season is nothing spectacular. We draft Avdija or Edwards and sign Christian Wood. I think one of Okongwu/Wiseman falls to the Pistons and they let Wood walk. I don't see a robust market for any of the current crop of free agents given team needs and shrinking revenues due to COVID-19.

I'd consider it a success if we add Edwards/Avdija + Oturu/Tillman + Wood.

Hold onto Monk to see what he has. Keep Rozier until he's an expiring contract at 17.9 next off-season.

Sorry this plan isn't sexier.
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Post#22 » by DY_nasty » Mon Oct 5, 2020 3:03 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Zeller doesn't need to go anywhere. He'd be perfect coming off the bench.

Yeah, he's a solid center off the bench. I'm just worried injuries are really starting to pile up on the guy. He can't continue to start or play big minutes...
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Re: The offseason thread. 

Post#23 » by BigSlam » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:05 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Sorry this plan isn't sexier.

I don't think there is anything to apologize for. This is the exact approach I think we should take - just keep it simple and stay the course for now, collect assets and be patient.

Then look at next year as the time to make the splash. By then we should hopefully know what we have in Devonte, Monk, Miles, PJ, Monk, the Things and this years draft pick. Group that with what could be a bumper draft class and some serious cap space with Bats and Zeller coming off the books and that is the time to sexy it up.

The last thing we should do IMO is push the "go" button too early and execute reactionary moves for the now.
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Re: The offseason thread. 

Post#24 » by amcoolio » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:27 pm

The best hope we have is draft a stud at 3, one of our players (Graham, Washington, Miles, #3 pick) takes a giant leap and becomes a star, and we suddenly are very attractive to a free agent superstar with plenty of cap space after next season
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Post#25 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Oct 5, 2020 6:59 pm

amcoolio wrote:The best hope we have is draft a stud at 3, one of our players (Graham, Washington, Miles, #3 pick) takes a giant leap and becomes a star, and we suddenly are very attractive to a free agent superstar with plenty of cap space after next season


I think Devonte' will lock in his gains so if he repeats his performance next year I can't really consider him a big breakout player. What we need to know is if his breakout was for real and I think it is. The same goes for PJ. The wild cards are really Monk and Miles. Neither broke out but both showcased flashes and it would be a huge boon for the team if one or both put up a breakout season that inspires confidence in their future with this core. We are building around Devonte' and PJ so far and it would be great to add one or two more impact players currently on the roster. Sprinkle in an all-star with pick 3 (maybe Avdija comps with prime Hayward, maybe Edwards though raw can trend towards Donovan Mitchell) plus one more high lotto pick next year and we could really be players next off-season. Cap, nice stable of young potential stars, deep,well coached, good culture, black owner and living legend.
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Re: The offseason thread. 

Post#26 » by Chapelchilla » Mon Oct 5, 2020 8:47 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Hearing noise about LaMelo going #1 so I'm hoping for Edwards or Avdija to fall and obviously we can't control the Warriors' choice at #2. I'm happy with either player. I would be thrilled if Edwards - Avdija don't go 1 - 2 leaving us in a situation where we have to trade Ball, given I love Devonte'. I also hate that he shoots like MKG and I already suffer from MKGPTSD.

What to do about center? I view Zeller as an overpaid bench big but I can see him having more value than MKG or Marvin as an expiring (both worthless). This is a better FA class for teams angling to free up money. I'm quite open to unloading him and unlocking even second round value. I don't want Horford's contract. I'm very open to selecting a center with pick 32. I like Oturu (who may be gone) but also open to Tillman. I'd like to sign Christian Wood.

Trades: I don't see a blockbuster. The roster is narrowly focused on Kupchak's core while remnants of Cho's Reign of Error will fade away without Kupchak ever attaching an asset to unload them but also never positioned to receive one given the knock-off merchandise of fake NBA talent he inherited. I think it would be tough to unload expiring Batum even for a bad contract because he's unplayable.

My ideal off-season is nothing spectacular. We draft Avdija or Edwards and sign Christian Wood. I think one of Okongwu/Wiseman falls to the Pistons and they let Wood walk. I don't see a robust market for any of the current crop of free agents given team needs and shrinking revenues due to COVID-19.

I'd consider it a success if we add Edwards/Avdija + Oturu/Tillman + Wood.

Hold onto Monk to see what he has. Keep Rozier until he's an expiring contract at 17.9 next off-season.

Sorry this plan isn't sexier.


That is actually the smart plan. No need to do much now except wait this out and keep the powder dry. No fans in the stands for awhile, still have salary to shed and the core is too young to be really good yet.
Next off season we have money galore for a top FA or upper level role players, 2-4 more draft picks to add to the young guys who should be coming into their own and a fresh start.
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Re: The offseason thread. 

Post#27 » by geraldwallace » Tue Oct 6, 2020 1:55 am

I've seen some Hornets fans suggest to sign him but I'd stay far away from Harrell
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Re: The offseason thread. 

Post#28 » by MugzZo » Tue Oct 6, 2020 4:19 am

geraldwallace wrote:I've seen some Hornets fans suggest to sign him but I'd stay far away from Harrell
I'm easing up on Harrell. I dont think I want him on this team. Christian Wood, would be a guy I look at. If draft Wiseman or Okongwu I look at oubre.
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Post#29 » by DY_nasty » Tue Oct 6, 2020 2:17 pm

geraldwallace wrote:I've seen some Hornets fans suggest to sign him but I'd stay far away from Harrell

Definitely exposed as Faried-lite
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Post#30 » by MugzZo » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:35 am

Out of curiosity what is the consensus on oubre and how much would you pay him? I think a 2, 3 ,4 lineup of oubre/miles/pj looks pretty good especially when oubre would be the oldest at 24 with Graham. Thats a good core and that doesn't include our 3rd pick. Hell they could stretch 3, 4, 5
If need be and let monk and Graham play the 1, 2...I didn't even mention rozier...he's looking good on thay contract. Young best available talent should be the mission!

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