Charlotte: 2021/22 Projected Rotations

HornetsFan29 · Post #1 » by **HornetsFan29** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:09 pm

starters
Rozier
Graham
Hayward
PJ
Cody

Bench
Lamelo
Monk
Bridges
mcdaniels
Carey

others Martin twins,Biz,Riller,and Richards.

Bench with Melo.Monk,and Bridges is going to give teams fits.we are a deep team and I see this team in the playoffs easy in the east 5th-to 8th seed. this might be the deepest team we ever had I'm excited to watch them play.

KembaWalker · Post #2 » by **KembaWalker** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:19 pm

deep on guards, if you think Monk is playable for a winning team. I have heavy doubts nowadays
that big rotation is horrible

DY_nasty · Post #3 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:37 pm

deep teams have multiple good players at every position. we got like... maybe 3 total and that's a stretch

James Gatz · Post #4 » by **James Gatz** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:47 pm

If injury prone Zeller goes down we are relying on a 2nd round rookie or Biz. I wouldn't call that deep.

Soul Rebel · Post #5 » by **Soul Rebel** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:09 pm

I def see some small ball being played too, especially with Zeller's injury history and/or trade deadline.

Graham
Rozier
Hayward
Bridges
PJ

Bridges in his natural spot at the 4, though I'd prefer PJ there. I do think Carey or Richards will eventually get some pretty solid minutes later in the year too which will only help for the future.

Post #6 » by **fatlever** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:57 pm

doubt melo gets starting gig at first. jb will make him earn minutes.

graham
rozier
hayward
pj
zeller

melo
monk
cody m
miles
frankencenter - pj/biz/willy/rookie

* lots of guys playing multiple positions

est minutes distribution
graham - 32
hayward - 32
pj - 32
rozier - 30
zeller -28
miles - 26
melo - 24
monk - 22
cody m - 12
biz/willy/rook - leftovers

amcoolio · Post #7 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:15 pm

Willy is on the Pelicans I believe

Carey will get the backup minutes

HornetJail · Post #8 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:26 pm

If we do absolutely nothing but stretch Batum, our rotation looks like this early on imo:

Graham (30) / Ball (18)
Rozier (24) / Monk (24)
Hayward (30) / more minutes for the guards (12) / Bridges (6)
PJ (16) / Bridges (24) / McDaniels (8)
Zeller (24) / PJ (14) / Biz or VC (10)

I think we're getting a pretty healthy dose of small ball next season. If Zeller is traded, PJ may very well be the starting center.

JMAC3 · Post #9 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:29 pm

Typically most good teams play a 9 man rotation in the regular season. My best guess is:

PG- Graham- Melo
SG- Rozier- Monk
SF- Hayward- Bridges
PF- PJ- Bridges
C- Zeller - Biz

Depth- Martin Twins, Riller, McDaniels, Richards, Carey

I like the versatility of Bridges being able to backup both forward spots, which in my mind my actually be more valuable then him starting. Could see Melo taking over Rozier starting spot 10-15 games into the season. Also, if we do go 10 deep I think Cody Martin would play the 3 and Bridges the 4. Will be interesting to see how guard rotation breaks down, but I think have 4 good guards is never a bad thing.

Also would not shock me if our closing lineup was Graham-Melo-Hayward-Bridges-PJ as often times teams go small for the final 4 minutes of games.

Post #10 » by **fatlever** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:31 pm

amcoolio wrote:Willy is on the Pelicans I believe

Carey will get the backup minutes

lol. oops.

franken - backup- center will be fluid. i think biz gets 1st crack to start season since he knows system. hopefully most backup mins will go to pj in smallball lineup.

Post #11 » by **JDR720** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:59 pm

We have what I would call a solid, but not great, guard rotation and a really bad big rotation.

Zeller can't be our best big man if we actually want to be good.

Actually, this is a lot like the teams we typically have. Good guards, and terrible forwards. I remember a few years ago when we had one of the highest scoring backcourts in the league between Kemba/Hendo/Sessions and Gordon? But were still pretty mediocre overall, I think.

SWedd523 · Post #12 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:02 pm

Starters:

Graham
Rozier
Hayward
PJ
Cody

first subs lineup:

Graham/Rozier (whoever is playing better)
Monk
Ball
Miles
Carey/Richards

next rotation:

Graham/Rozier (whoever got the rest earlier)
Ball
Hayward
PJ
Cody

Ball and Monk always have one of Graham or Rozier on the floor with them to help lessen their burden. Want to handcuff Ball to Hayward, but that'll be difficult unless you have Rozier as the 6th man (which isn't necessarily out of the question). Martins take minutes from Monk or Miles depending on who plays well, Biz gets more time if Carey/Richards suck.

Ideally, Graham, Ball, PJ, Miles, Monk all get around 35+ minutes for development. Rozier gets what he can to fill the rest of that 1/2 rotation, Hayward gets 30-35 to keep him going strong with the Martin Twins taking the remaining wing minutes where needed. Cody gets 30ish and the rooks fill in the rest to see if they have anything.

Late game (close): Graham, Rozier/Ball (whoever is playing better), Hayward, PJ, Miles/Cody (depending on matchup)
Late game (not close): Ball, Monk, Martin, McDaniels, Carey/Richards

Post #13 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:16 pm

Graham - Ball - Twin #2
Hayward - Rozier - Monk - Riller
Miles - Twin #1
PJ - McDaniels
Cody - Biz - Carey - Richards

I really don't see Bridges going to the bench and I really see Terry in a 6th man role who still gets 30-32mpg and Monk getting situational big mins spasmodically if Ball or Rozier are having a bad night or Monk is on fire - so really Terry and Monk splitting the 6th man role (if that makes sense).

I also agree that I think we'll see small ball runs of:

Graham
Rozier (or Monk)
Hayward
Bridges
PJ

JMAC3 · Post #14 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:23 pm

BigSlam wrote:Graham - Ball - Twin #2
Hayward - Rozier - Monk - Riller
Miles - Twin #1
PJ - McDaniels
Cody - Biz - Carey - Richards

I really don't see Bridges going to the bench and I really see Terry in a 6th man role who still gets 30-32mpg and Monk getting situational big mins spasmodically if Ball or Rozier are having a bad night or Monk is on fire - so really Terry and Monk splitting the 6th man role (if that makes sense).

I also agree that I think we'll see small ball runs of:

Graham
Rozier (or Monk)
Hayward
Bridges
PJ

Slam I know you are deadset on Hayward playing the 2, but that is detrimental to our forward rotation. You are basically opting to give minutes to Martin and McDaniels over Monk/Ball/Rozier.

Playing Hayward at the 2 seems like a Steve Clifford move.

316Hornets · Post #15 » by **316Hornets** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:33 pm

Starters:

Rozier
Devonte
Hayward
PJ
Zeller

Bench in order of minutes:
Ball
Miles
Monk
Cody Martin
Biz
Caleb Martin
Carey Jr
McDaniels

Post #16 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:48 pm

This feels preliminary until we see how our roster shakes out. We hopefully still have a S&T coming and we haven't used the MLEs.

Post #17 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:13 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Slam I know you are deadset on Hayward playing the 2, but that is detrimental to our forward rotation. You are basically opting to give minutes to Martin and McDaniels over Monk/Ball/Rozier.

I agree with SWedd in that there will be a guard rotation that would have Ball and Monk always supported by an opposing guard who can help them.

So if Graham is the lead guard I think the combinations/rotations might look like:
Graham and Hayward
Graham and Rozier
Graham and Ball
Graham and Monk

or

If Rozier is the lead guard I think the combinations/rotations might look like:
Rozier and Hayward
Rozier and Ball
Rozier and Monk

or

If Ball is the lead guard I think the combinations/rotations might look like:
Ball and Hayward

FWIW I don't ever see Monk playing the role of lead guard.

Does that make any more sense?

tl;dr = As for the forward rotation - you are still getting Miles, Hayward, Twin #1 and maybe McDaniels getting time at the SF position as well - I think we will have pretty fluid line ups.

So everyone still gets to eat, guards and forwards, but I think the amount of eating will be heavily dictated by what the opposition is doing (their line ups) and also who is hot (or cold) on any given night for us (other than Hayward - who I assume will get 32+mpg regardless).

wilson115 · Post #18 » by **wilson115** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:14 pm

Devonte'
Rozier
Hayward
PJ
Zeller/Biz

(Seems Terry stays for now. Biz is there to take over when Zeller needs a rest just like last year.)

LaMelo
Monk
Cody Martin
Miles
Vernon

(James says he wants multiple playmakers sharing time and Cody apparently's our most vocal young guy on defense.)

Thriller
Caleb Martin
Jalen
Nick

316Hornets · Post #19 » by **316Hornets** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:52 am

Think this lineup could be pretty good together

Lamelo Ball
Cody Martin
Gordon Hayward
PJ Washington
Vernon Carey Jr.

Braggins · Post #20 » by **Braggins** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:07 am

Starting Graham and Rozier means only one player in the starting lineup who can really guard wings (technically PJ can alright, but hes going to be on one of the bigs). Bringing Rozier off the bench and starting Hayward/Miles as the winsg fixes the size issue, but that probably pushes Ball out of the rotation, which I don't think anyone wants to see, and also leaves a big hole at backup PF unless McDaniels is ready for serious rotation minutes. Rozier/Monk/Ball trio would be an absolute disaster defensively, even against bench units, and also Rozier and Monk didn't seem to play well together on offense last year.

Graham/Monk/Riller
Rozier/Ball
Hayward/Martin/McDaniels
PJ/Miles
Cody/Biz/Carey or Richards

or

Graham/Rozier
Hayward/Monk/Ball
Miles/Martin
PJ/McDaniels
Cody/Biz/Carey or Richards

Those seem like the two most likely possibilities, with the first setup being the most likely.