Little Swaggy: The Kelly Oubre Jr Thread

[Roll Tide 09]

I’ve liked this signing from Day 1. But do y’all feel like this could end up being long term?


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[Hornet Mania]

I’ve liked this signing from Day 1. But do y’all feel like this could end up being long term?


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Naw, personally I doubt it. Oubre's value was deflated by bad seasons in PHX/GSW and he was unexpectedly the best wing Mitch could get with the cap space that was left this summer.

By the time Oubre's 2yr deal expires he'll get better money than we can offer, assuming he plays this well all the way until 2023, and Mitch will have his hands full fitting some combo of Miles/Cody/PJ/McDaniels under the cap while also planning for Melo's extension.

I'm enjoying Mandime while I can though. He's balls to the wall at all times, I can see why other fan bases soured on him but for us we need the irrational confidence vet.

[yosemiteben]

I'm pretty torn on Oubre because while it's super fun when he goes supernova like last night, his defense is wretched and I think the smart move is to sell high on him and get a true 3&D in exchange. He's extremely available for me in trades.

[JMAC3]

I'm pretty torn on Oubre because while it's super fun when he goes supernova like last night, his defense is wretched and I think the smart move is to sell high on him and get a true 3&D in exchange. He's extremely available for me in trades.

I agree his off- ball defense is poor, but he also does a lot of things well. His on ball defense is also solid at times especially vs smaller guards where his length can cause issues. Obviously he is an elite shooter when on, but his cutting is nice with Hayward and Melo finding him (last night had a nice baseline cut for a dunk). He also is nice insurance in case Gordon goes down with an injury (which fingers crossed doesn't happen).

Getting another 3D wing to come off the bench doesn't make a ton of sense to me, we already have hustle/defense guys on that unit in McDaniels and Martin. Adding another defensive wing that struggles to score consistently is going to completely bog down that unit.

[bravor]

Been thinking about it (not just me, Lolj is one who likes him too) versus K. Anderson.
He's expiring for Memphis and even though Bane is awesome, he could be another scoring option for them considering their defense does not need KA a lot.

A kinda dream scenario would be Clarke+Anderson for Oubre + filler. Even if Clarke is not a long term starter. At least he plays on both ends despite his shortcomings.

[JMAC3]

Been thinking about it (not just me, Lolj is one who likes him too) versus K. Anderson.
He's expiring for Memphis and even though Bane is awesome, he could be another scoring option for them considering their defense does not need KA a lot.

A kinda dream scenario would be Clarke+Anderson for Oubre + filler. Even if Clarke is not a long term starter. At least he plays on both ends despite his shortcomings.

Kyle Anderson has scored single digits in 21 out of 33 games this year.

So our second unit would be Ish, Martin, Anderson, McDaniels and PJ. We would lose each quarter this team played together 20-12 LOL

Oubre also fits with starters better as an athlete who can run with Terry and Melo. Anderson is slow and doesn't fit the pace we want to play at.

[bravor]

No the idea would be to start KA along Ball & Hayward at the wing. And use Rozier as 6th man with another defensive wing (Cody).
As for Anderson, even if he's not in his prime anymore, he's still ahead defensively of anyone not named C. Martin in this roster. Not sure what are the reasons to laugh about when Hornets defense is one of the worst of this league

[yosemiteben]

I agree his off- ball defense is poor, but he also does a lot of things well. His on ball defense is also solid at times especially vs smaller guards where his length can cause issues.

I actually don't agree with this. If you watch Oubre on a play by play basis, he doesn't get stops and he constantly plays matadore D. It's painful to watch. He constantly goes for reach around poke outs that miss or just outright lets guys go by him.

He also is nice insurance in case Gordon goes down with an injury (which fingers crossed doesn't happen).

He's not though because our problem is not offense, it's defense, and we'd get worse with Oubre logging more minutes.

Getting another 3D wing to come off the bench doesn't make a ton of sense to me, we already have hustle/defense guys on that unit in McDaniels and Martin. Adding another defensive wing that struggles to score consistently is going to completely bog down that unit.

Then change the rotation. Our problem is we are legit one of the worst defenses in the league. I don't want to hear about how we have too many defensive guys or that we're going to bog down our league leading offense by trying to address our glaring defensive issues.

We have to do something about our D.

[BigSlam]

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[fatlever]

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[JMAC3]

I agree his off- ball defense is poor, but he also does a lot of things well. His on ball defense is also solid at times especially vs smaller guards where his length can cause issues.

I actually don't agree with this. If you watch Oubre on a play by play basis, he doesn't get stops and he constantly plays matadore D. It's painful to watch. He constantly goes for reach around poke outs that miss or just outright lets guys go by him.

He also is nice insurance in case Gordon goes down with an injury (which fingers crossed doesn't happen).

He's not though because our problem is not offense, it's defense, and we'd get worse with Oubre logging more minutes.

Getting another 3D wing to come off the bench doesn't make a ton of sense to me, we already have hustle/defense guys on that unit in McDaniels and Martin. Adding another defensive wing that struggles to score consistently is going to completely bog down that unit.

Then change the rotation. Our problem is we are legit one of the worst defenses in the league. I don't want to hear about how we have too many defensive guys or that we're going to bog down our league leading offense by trying to address our glaring defensive issues.

We have to do something about our D.

Lamelo, Martin, McDaniels, PJ and Plumlee start second quarter 1/8. not sure your argument of offense will be fine makes much sense here.

[yosemiteben]

I agree his off- ball defense is poor, but he also does a lot of things well. His on ball defense is also solid at times especially vs smaller guards where his length can cause issues.

I actually don't agree with this. If you watch Oubre on a play by play basis, he doesn't get stops and he constantly plays matadore D. It's painful to watch. He constantly goes for reach around poke outs that miss or just outright lets guys go by him.

He also is nice insurance in case Gordon goes down with an injury (which fingers crossed doesn't happen).

He's not though because our problem is not offense, it's defense, and we'd get worse with Oubre logging more minutes.

Getting another 3D wing to come off the bench doesn't make a ton of sense to me, we already have hustle/defense guys on that unit in McDaniels and Martin. Adding another defensive wing that struggles to score consistently is going to completely bog down that unit.

Then change the rotation. Our problem is we are legit one of the worst defenses in the league. I don't want to hear about how we have too many defensive guys or that we're going to bog down our league leading offense by trying to address our glaring defensive issues.

We have to do something about our D.

Lamelo, Martin, McDaniels, PJ and Plumlee start second quarter 1/8. not sure your argument of offense will be fine makes much sense here.

Clearly Oubre is the only reason we have the league's best offense and we crater without him

[JMAC3]

Lamelo, Martin, McDaniels, PJ and Plumlee start second quarter 1/8. not sure your argument of offense will be fine makes much sense here.

Clearly Oubre is the only reason we have the league's best offense and we crater without him

In terms of second units, yes. Putting Kelly in over Martin, McDaniels or Plumlee in that lineup changes how defenses have to guard us.

[yosemiteben]

Lamelo, Martin, McDaniels, PJ and Plumlee start second quarter 1/8. not sure your argument of offense will be fine makes much sense here.

Clearly Oubre is the only reason we have the league's best offense and we crater without him

In terms of second units, yes. Putting Kelly in over Martin, McDaniels or Plumlee in that lineup changes how defenses have to guard us.

I mean it's indisputable that we need better defense and have offense to spare. If you want to point to like a four minute portion of one quarter to somehow argue against that, knock yourself out, but it's not a meaningful data point.

It's also kind of ironic because, you know, we held the Bucks to under 100 and won the game. We've only held a team under 100 once in our prior 20 games. To my above point, this specific game isn't really a meaningful data point (i.e., not having KO isn't a direct reason for that defensive outcome), but what is clear is that we have to make rotation or roster moves to improve our defense.

[JMAC3]

Clearly Oubre is the only reason we have the league's best offense and we crater without him

In terms of second units, yes. Putting Kelly in over Martin, McDaniels or Plumlee in that lineup changes how defenses have to guard us.

I mean it's indisputable that we need better defense and have offense to spare. If you want to point to like a four minute portion of one quarter to somehow argue against that, knock yourself out, but it's not a meaningful data point.

It's also kind of ironic because, you know, we held the Bucks to under 100 and won the game. We've only held a team under 100 once in our prior 20 games. To my above point, this specific game isn't really a meaningful data point (i.e., not having KO isn't a direct reason for that defensive outcome), but what is clear is that we have to make rotation or roster moves to improve our defense.

I think we all agree we need to improve center position and that will fix a lot of our issues on defense. I just don't think an athletic, 6-7 wing is our defensive issue. We have a young roster (5th youngest at start of year) and traditionally young teams are not good on defense... especially when they lack rim protection.

However, I think we have the right pieces in place to be a good defensive team longterm. Our pg is going to be a really good defensive player in a year or 2. He has length, legit foot speed to stay in front of players and elite ball hawk abilities. Terry isn't good on defense but he is an underrated athlete. Gordon is a solid defender with size, smart team defender. Bridges has all the tools to be elite defender. Kelly is uber athletic and has plus size. PJ is a really good defender as well at times when he is locked in.

There are nights and stretches of games where we are really good on defense, but when we have to collapse to help we give up a bunch of threes. Having a better big would allow us to stay home more on defense with less rotations and force our opponents into more contested 2s instead of letting them live at rim (3rd most fg made against per game) and the three (also 3rd most fg made against per game).

[yosemiteben]

I challenge you to watch Oubre on defense when he's playing, like really focus on him.

His D is truly embarrassing and he's definitely contributing to our inability to get steps when he's on the floor.

[JMAC3]

I challenge you to watch Oubre on defense when he's playing, like really focus on him.

His D is truly embarrassing and he's definitely contributing to our inability to get steps when he's on the floor.

Sure, but its the NBA and if you watch anyone like that they are going to get beat. Hence why scoring is so high, too many good offensive players and NBA teams understand how to space the floor properly. If you watch LaMelo I promise you will start to hate his defense or the same with Rozier... I don't think watching Kelly and ticking every time he gets beat is really as productive as you might think.

[yosemiteben]

I challenge you to watch Oubre on defense when he's playing, like really focus on him.

His D is truly embarrassing and he's definitely contributing to our inability to get steps when he's on the floor.

Sure, but its the NBA and if you watch anyone like that they are going to get beat.

Not really though. Watch Cody. Watch Jalen. Watch PJ. Watch Miles. Then watch Oubre. It's night and day.

I'm telling you - he's awful. There's a reason that he's a legit 6MOY candidate that also can struggle to be kept on the floor, if his shot isn't on he's borderline unplayable.

[JMAC3]

I challenge you to watch Oubre on defense when he's playing, like really focus on him.

His D is truly embarrassing and he's definitely contributing to our inability to get steps when he's on the floor.

Sure, but its the NBA and if you watch anyone like that they are going to get beat.

Not really though. Watch Cody. Watch Jalen. Watch PJ. Watch Miles. Then watch Oubre. It's night and day.

I'm telling you - he's awful. There's a reason that he's a legit 6MOY candidate that also can struggle to be kept on the floor, if his shot isn't on he's borderline unplayable.

Okay man. I watch the games and Oubre is fine on defense. Especially on the ball. If he wasn't teams would be hunting him down looking to put him in pick and roll or isolating vs him, but watch the games they don't do that. You act like he is out there getting picked on like Doug McDermott or Denzel Valentine.

Is he out of position sometimes? Yes. Is his rotations slow sometimes? Yes. However, you can find the same thing with a bunch of our guys including McDaniels, Bridges, LaMelo etc...

I really think you're on a witch hunt here. I just watched several full game highlights and Oubre defense wasn't any worse than the rest of the team.