BFHOS - RICH CHO

[fatlever]

should rich cho be a BFHOS member?

66% yes = in

[fatlever]

this one should be fun
lets hear your for/against arguments

[MPM]

My sarcastic avatar says it all. I've memorialized his ineptitude.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Lots of bad stuff happened with Cho at the helm. Problem is that it's hard to say just how much was him, and what parts of it were Jordan & co. overriding him.

[LofJ]

He should have been fired the day after he held a press conference while the draft was still happening in 2016. One of the most important days of the year for a man with his job and he just decided to not even try.

Rich Cho - "There are two rounds in the NBA draft?!!?"

[KembaWalker]

the guy hyped up his big exclusive scouting database that was bleeding edge for an NBA front office and used it on lottery:
Bismack, Kemba, MKG, Cody, Vonleh, Frank, Monk

the only one that worked out was the one that any random guy in a 2011 sports bar could tell you was great lol

[JDR720]

This one is iffy.

His drafting sucked, was good as finding bargain veterans, and signed a couple big FA's. Al, who sort of worked to some degree, and Lance, who sucked. He almost signed Gordon too before he went to Boston instead.

[Liver_Pooty]

This one is iffy.

His drafting sucked, was good as finding bargain veterans, and signed a couple big FA's. Al, who sort of worked to some degree, and Lance, who sucked. He almost signed Gordon too before he went to Boston instead.

Gordon signing was when everyone knew he'd resign with Utah. The really good Gordon before his ankle turned 180 degrees.

[Liver_Pooty]

I'm voting yes on the drafting alone.

Biyombo, MKG, Vonleh, Monk, Frank all bust. Zeller was actually decent considering how horrific that draft was.

[Benjamin Linus]

After going through the Rod Higgins years, I had big hopes for Cho. Early on I think he made a few smart moves like flipping Stephen Jackson & 19 for Maggette & 7 and then flipping Maggette for Ben Gordon & 9. He essentially turned Jackson & 19 into 7 & 9 which I think was pretty shrewd for a rebuilding team but he then went on to draft Biz & Vonleh with those picks so... I think at times Cho had the right ideas but ultimately he sucked at drafting and you're not gonna go anywhere as a small market team if you can't draft. So I'm voting him in because that draft record is ugly

[fatlever]

One of the most infuriating moments under his tenure was during the Frank Kaminsky Draft when it was reported that Boston offered all of those pics. Months later in the Grantland article there were quotes from the front office saying something along the lines of, we didnt it make that trade because we didn't know what we would do with the extra pics. We hadn't planned for that scenario. That's inexcusable. to admit it in an article is just absolutely insane.

Also in 2016 when we traded for Marco Belinelli they're worse them comments from the front office along the lines of, late first round picks aren't really that important, it's not like that players going to play anyway.

Little stuff like this just made it clear that we were a minor league operation.

Overriding the screaming Steve Clifford who was standing on the table begging for the front office to draft Donovan Mitchell, when we went for Malik Monk. That's hard to forgive.

His best skill was finding some of those small trades during the season that landed us players like Courtney Lee, Josh McRoberts. And to his credit, he did oversee 2 trip to the playoffs which is more than anyone else can claim since the 2004 return.

But, ultimately, the ineptitude during the draft is just too much to ignore. Especially, since that was supposed to be his specialty. The fancy database and the four c's. Lol.

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[wilson115]

Put us on the treadmill to stay. Easy in.

[fatlever]

"You have two minutes to decide: ‘Do I want to do this trade?’” says Polk, one of five men atop Charlotte’s decision tree.2 “You don’t have a day. You don’t have hours. After all the intelligence we’d done, we were comfortable with Frank. But now you have two minutes to decide if you make this trade, who you’re gonna take at no. 16, or maybe no. 20, and we haven’t been focusing on that range. In fantasy basketball, it sounds great: ‘Oh my god, they could have gotten all those picks.’ But in the real world, I’m not sure it makes us better.”

Adds Rich Cho, the team’s GM: “If it was such a no-brainer for us, why would another team want to do it?”

Polk argues drafting extra players might have cramped Charlotte’s roster space. “We didn’t have enough spots after picking up Spencer Hawes, Jeremy Lamb, and Batum,” Polk says. “Even if someone wants to give me first-round picks, what am I going to do with them?”

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[fatlever]

The most ridiculous series of quotes in franchise history.

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[fatlever]

Maybe not all of these bad decisions are his fault completely. As the Grantland article and many other articles throughout the past 15 years have indicated, Jordan would meddle in the decision-making process, often to catastrophic results. That being said, which was the general manager and part of that job is convincing the owner the correct path to take, standing up to the owner when the owner is leading you down the incorrect path.

Beginning back in 2006 all the way up to the time when we hired Mitch, it's been really difficult to tell who to pinpoint as they do scapegoat for some of the bad decisions the front office has made.

Maybe one of these days someone from the front office will come out and set the record straight on which decision is Michael forced the team into making. Maybe one day we'll be adding Jordan to the hall of Shame. But until then, I have to put the blame on Rich since he was the general manager.

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[KembaWalker]

I'm gonna hold Cho accountable because Cho was just let go after a remarkably short stint in Portland where he was very direct in his unhappiness with Paul Allen's meddling. I feel like if that was the situation here he wouldn't have hesitated to mention it to stir up some Michael Jordan drama for his dead food blog/podcast. Plus Rod Higgins, who was unquestionably an MJ lackey literally rage quit the franchise due to Cho having all the roster control.

[Diop]

After going through the Rod Higgins years, I had big hopes for Cho. Early on I think he made a few smart moves like flipping Stephen Jackson & 19 for Maggette & 7 and then flipping Maggette for Ben Gordon & 9. He essentially turned Jackson & 19 into 7 & 9 which I think was pretty shrewd for a rebuilding team but he then went on to draft Biz & Vonleh with those picks so... I think at times Cho had the right ideas but ultimately he sucked at drafting and you're not gonna go anywhere as a small market team if you can't draft. So I'm voting him in because that draft record is ugly

this sums it up pretty well for me. There were plenty of things I appreciated about Cho, a lot of his trades were shrewd but his drafting was terrible. At the time I could understand the picks as they seemed ok, but his analytics was meant to be better than what a dumbass like me should know and in the end, he should have picked better. I mean I love Biz, but that was a terrible pick. I still remember laughing at his original workout video vs a chair.

Zeller was probably his best pick (kemba was MJ's choice) in a terrible draft, but that was more luck as he was drafting Zeller to be a stretch 4, Lemarcus Aldridge type.

[luciano-davidwesley]

The most ridiculous series of quotes in franchise history.

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Because you must draft players, you can't flip or trade future picks over the next 1-5 years
We only looked at players in our exact draft range even though researching basketball players is our full time job.

These quotes are BFHOS worthy

[HornetJail]

The Frank Kaminsky draft alone would've been a fireable offense for about 3/4 of the league

[MasterIchiro]

The Biz pick informed my first impression. When we fell to 2 in the Anthony Davis draft I was concerned. When we took MKG over Beal I was panicked.

But Cho broke me when he took Kaminsky over Booker.

I had an email exchange with Fowler of the Observer. We were both livid. I had a heated argument at a game with a fan over the Belinelli trade. And don't forget PJ Hairston.

What a fraud with no eye for talent.

I'm quite relieved Kupchak runs a masterful scouting department.