Start up the tank

[GoBobs]

Grant Williams going down was the nail in the coffin. How can we trade away guys only under contract for 1 or 2 more years, decrease our win total this year, acquire assets and position ourselves to win next year?

[EmpireFalls]

Start it up? It’s in full flight already

[JustBuzzin]

Dylan Harper don't overthink it.

Melo is the only playmaker on the entire team, I repeat Melo is the only playmaker on the entire team!

Draft Harper move Melo to sg let him be the primary scorer. Harper runs the point Miller at sf as the catch n shoot wing.

Trade Bridges for John Collins.

Next year we are locked and loaded

Harper
Melo
Miller
Collins
Mark


GM of the year Just Buzzin

[Liver_Pooty]

Dylan Harper don't overthink it.

Melo is the only playmaker on the entire team, I repeat Melo is the only playmaker on the entire team!

Draft Harper move Melo to sg let him be the primary scorer. Harper runs the point Miller at sf as the catch n shoot wing.

Trade Bridges for John Collins.

Next year we are locked and loaded

Harper
Melo
Miller
Collins
Mark


GM of the year Just Buzzin

Why in the hell would the jazz trade Collins for a far an inferior player in Bridges. Also Flagg is a better playmaker than Harper.

And yes I watch the games and respect your opinion.

[Diop]

just because we can't agree on anything on here, (just kidding), but I'm team Flagg.
I'd start:
Melo
Green
Miller
Flagg
Mark

I know everyone is disappointed in Green, but in the Bruce Bowen 3nD mold, he will be fine.

[JustBuzzin]

Dylan Harper don't overthink it.

Melo is the only playmaker on the entire team, I repeat Melo is the only playmaker on the entire team!

Draft Harper move Melo to sg let him be the primary scorer. Harper runs the point Miller at sf as the catch n shoot wing.

Trade Bridges for John Collins.

Next year we are locked and loaded

Harper
Melo
Miller
Collins
Mark


GM of the year Just Buzzin

Why in the hell would the jazz trade Collins for a far an inferior player in Bridges. Also Flagg is a better playmaker than Harper.

And yes I watch the games and respect your opinion.

Bridges and Collins are equal in talent. Utah needs a wing more than they need Collins who also plays the same position as their best player. Collins numbers are inflated because he's on a bad team. Nobody was calling Collins a good player last season. Now that he has decent numbers he's good now. No he's the same player. Athletic pf/c who can spread the floor and rebound a little. He's just a more traditional pf.

As for Flagg being a better playmaker you might be right. Harper takes the ball out of Melo's hands a lot more because he's actually a traditional pg. I like the idea of moving Melo to sg and him being the primary scorer off ball.

[Liver_Pooty]

Dylan Harper don't overthink it.

Melo is the only playmaker on the entire team, I repeat Melo is the only playmaker on the entire team!

Draft Harper move Melo to sg let him be the primary scorer. Harper runs the point Miller at sf as the catch n shoot wing.

Trade Bridges for John Collins.

Next year we are locked and loaded

Harper
Melo
Miller
Collins
Mark


GM of the year Just Buzzin

Why in the hell would the jazz trade Collins for a far an inferior player in Bridges. Also Flagg is a better playmaker than Harper.

And yes I watch the games and respect your opinion.

Bridges and Collins are equal in talent. Utah needs a wing more than they need Collins who also plays the same position as their best player. Collins numbers are inflated because he's on a bad team. Nobody was calling Collins a good played last season. Now that he has decent numbers he's good now. No he's the same player. Athletic pf/c who can spread the floor and rebound a little. He's just a more traditional pf.

As for Flagg being a better playmaker you might be right. Harper takes the ball out of Melo's hands a lot more because he's actually a traditional pg. I like the idea of moving Melo to sg and him being the primary scorer off ball.

Miles is also playing on a bad team. Collins is the better player. As far as Lamelo he needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

[fatlever]

the tank has been running for 20 years nonstop

[Hornet Mania]

I just hope we can be sellers at the deadline again like last year. Lots of dead weight on this roster, if we can turn any of it into 2nds or protected 1sts it would be a big win. Next year between draft picks and cap space we'll be adding a handful of rotation guys, so our current role players don't have a future here.

Miles, Cody, Micic, Nick and Green are at the very top of the list. They've all been huge disappointments so if we can con some team into giving us value for them I'd be ecstatic. For Cody I'd just send them all tape of Caleb and hope they don't notice the 'mistake', as for the others I'm not sure how to finesse it.

[bravor]

For Micic, need to use the ex yougo connexion. Pretty sure he could have value for the Hawks (behind young and along Bogdan), or even for Dallas. Nuggets don't have anything desirable though.
There are pieces that could mix with Indiana's need otoh considering their season.

Otoh, if you draft Harper, i don't see the point of keeping Ball here. Esp. With that contract, considering he would not have the ball in his hands as often and he is not playing that well off the ball.

All depends on the lottery anyway. Imagine if OKC WANTS Flagg at all price and you win the lottery, and go check their assets (in young players/draft picks). The dream scenario would be winning the lottery, then dealing with OKC to land Edgecomb (with their best pick) and fill with high potential prospects from next draft (+ Dieng most likely, but he could be moved easily, he can play).

[JustBuzzin]

Why in the hell would the jazz trade Collins for a far an inferior player in Bridges. Also Flagg is a better playmaker than Harper.

And yes I watch the games and respect your opinion.

Bridges and Collins are equal in talent. Utah needs a wing more than they need Collins who also plays the same position as their best player. Collins numbers are inflated because he's on a bad team. Nobody was calling Collins a good played last season. Now that he has decent numbers he's good now. No he's the same player. Athletic pf/c who can spread the floor and rebound a little. He's just a more traditional pf.

As for Flagg being a better playmaker you might be right. Harper takes the ball out of Melo's hands a lot more because he's actually a traditional pg. I like the idea of moving Melo to sg and him being the primary scorer off ball.

Miles is also playing on a bad team. Collins is the better player. As far as Lamelo he needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

So 2 bad players who put up similar stats and both play for bad teams, yet you're making an argument that one is significantly better than the other lol.

Melo can't play off ball? Well he played with Rozier although it was limited because of injuries. He can shoot the 3 ball. I don't think you can realistically say he can't play without the ball when he has the skill set to do so.

Usually players who can't play off ball are players who can't shoot. Melo can shoot, dribble, pass. You can argue moving him to sg in that primary scoring role takes less pressure off him. He doesn't have to do everything with a guy like Harper in the back court with him. Those guys can take turns running the offense. When Harper goes to the bench Melo can run pg. I don't see how fit would be an issue.

This isn't Scoot/Melo. That wasn't going to work because Scoot could never shoot.

[JustBuzzin]

For Micic, need to use the ex yougo connexion. Pretty sure he could have value for the Hawks (behind young and along Bogdan), or even for Dallas. Nuggets don't have anything desirable though.
There are pieces that could mix with Indiana's need otoh considering their season.

Otoh, if you draft Harper, i don't see the point of keeping Ball here. Esp. With that contract, considering he would not have the ball in his hands as often and he is not playing that well off the ball.

All depends on the lottery anyway. Imagine if OKC WANTS Flagg at all price and you win the lottery, and go check their assets (in young players/draft picks). The dream scenario would be winning the lottery, then dealing with OKC to land Edgecomb (with their best pick) and fill with high potential prospects from next draft (+ Dieng most likely, but he could be moved easily, he can play).

So you want to trade Melo if we draft Harper?

So we still only have 1 playmaker on the court. That's what we need to fix. Melo can't be the only player who can create for others. You need another dynamic guard who can also do similar things. That's how you help Melo. He's taking bad shots because he has to do everything. Harper can get his own offense. This allows Melo to rest a bit on offense. Harper would be perfect on this team imo.

[bravor]

You can find playmaking at the wing. But i can't imagine drafting a potential star, if he's as good as advertised, and trying to make him coexist with another ball dominant pg, knowing you don't need to fix just the offense to have something going, you also need to have a coherent and impactful defense.
All competitive young teams (Grizz, Orlando, Cav's, okc..) are legit because of this.

Anyway, both of my hypothesis are optimistic (from the Hornets wining the lottery, the fact they draft Harper, or okc throwing away their main assets for Flagg etc).
My favorite case is still trading down if you can land several starters/all star potential. Hornets would have enough assets to run with what they have, trading some of those to improve what needs to be. And next draft is probably the best for this before a while.

[MasterIchiro]

Cavs have the best record.

They have 2 primary playmakers in their backcourt.

Donovan Mitchell - Darius Garland. Oh look, they're terrible defensively without a zero like Josh Green starting next to just one primary playmaker.

Luka - Kryie. Two primary playmakers

The teams that run offense through their backcourt (a feature of modern NBA) have poor defensive pairings but use primary playmaking to generate offense.

They build their defense from their wing positions and bigs.

Cavs have Mobely - Allen. They have Okoro.

Mavs have Lively - Gafford - PJ. They had Derek Jones Jr.

Made the finals by concentrating offense in the correct areas and defense in the correct areas.

Hornets have Mark Williams but would need an upgrade at PF in order to cover for the poor defense in the backcourt.

But dual playmaking backcourts are becoming the standard for serious teams.

Boston runs Jrue - White and gets both offense and defense from them on top of dual playmaking.

Josh Green needs to replace Martin on the bench.

Every role player on this team needs the axe. And Miles needs to recover some value.

[Braggins]

I can already tell Im not going to want to be involved in this discussion on here, but all I'm going to say is that if they get the first pick I would be extremely surprised if they don't take Cooper Flagg.

[MasterIchiro]

I can already tell Im not going to want to be involved in this discussion on here, but all I'm going to say is that if they get the first pick I would be extremely surprised if they don't take Cooper Flagg.

You are already replacing Salaün?

That was fast.

[JustBuzzin]

Cavs have the best record.

They have 2 primary playmakers in their backcourt.

Donovan Mitchell - Darius Garland. Oh look, they're terrible defensively without a zero like Josh Green starting next to just one primary playmaker.

Luka - Kryie. Two primary playmakers

The teams that run offense through their backcourt (a feature of modern NBA) have poor defensive pairings but use primary playmaking to generate offense.

They build their defense from their wing positions and bigs.

Cavs have Mobely - Allen. They have Okoro.

Mavs have Lively - Gafford - PJ. They had Derek Jones Jr.

Made the finals by concentrating offense in the correct areas and defense in the correct areas.

Hornets have Mark Williams but would need an upgrade at PF in order to cover for the poor defense in the backcourt.

But dual playmaking backcourts are becoming the standard for serious teams.

Boston runs Jrue - White and gets both offense and defense from them on top of dual playmaking.

Josh Green needs to replace Martin on the bench.

Every role player on this team needs the axe. And Miles needs to recover some value.

Hell of a post. Agree 100%.

New era of basketball you need multiple playmakers. These are both skilled guards they can figure it out. Like I said this is not Scoot. Harper actually has skills as a scorer. He reminds me of James Harden just a dude who can play both guard positions. Melo most definitely can play with Harper.

[JustBuzzin]

I can already tell Im not going to want to be involved in this discussion on here, but all I'm going to say is that if they get the first pick I would be extremely surprised if they don't take Cooper Flagg.

Well that's your reason?lol

[MasterIchiro]

Cavs have the best record.

They have 2 primary playmakers in their backcourt.

Donovan Mitchell - Darius Garland. Oh look, they're terrible defensively without a zero like Josh Green starting next to just one primary playmaker.

Luka - Kryie. Two primary playmakers

The teams that run offense through their backcourt (a feature of modern NBA) have poor defensive pairings but use primary playmaking to generate offense.

They build their defense from their wing positions and bigs.

Cavs have Mobely - Allen. They have Okoro.

Mavs have Lively - Gafford - PJ. They had Derek Jones Jr.

Made the finals by concentrating offense in the correct areas and defense in the correct areas.

Hornets have Mark Williams but would need an upgrade at PF in order to cover for the poor defense in the backcourt.

But dual playmaking backcourts are becoming the standard for serious teams.

Boston runs Jrue - White and gets both offense and defense from them on top of dual playmaking.

Josh Green needs to replace Martin on the bench.

Every role player on this team needs the axe. And Miles needs to recover some value.

Hell of a post. Agree 100%.

New era of basketball you need multiple playmakers. These are both skilled guards they can figure it out. Like I said this is not Scoot. Harper actually has skills as a scorer. He reminds me of James Harden just a dude who can play both guard positions. Melo most definitely can play with Harper.

I'm definitely not cherrypicking.

The three backcourt models with dual playmaking are:

Last year's champion.

Last year's runner-up.

This year's best record.

It should be obvious Dylan Harper should be top priority even if we are selecting 1 overall. Cooper Flagg is shooting 25% on threes. Miller needs to play wing. Brandon is not even what I would consider a viable secondary playmaker let alone primary. So where does Flagg play? PF? So Salaün becomes a bench piece. And we still lack a serious backcourt.

I advocated Scoot because I recognize the value of attacking from either guard position. It is hard to defend when you have two guards who can create offense both for themselves and for others. And when you increase scoring you give your entire defense more opportunity to get set off the inbound.

Dump Martin. Demote Green to the bench where he belongs. Draft Harper 1 or 2. If we're at 3, I'd almost rather Jakucionis over Bailey.

[JDR720]

Flagg is 100% the pick if we get #1. He'll be a natural replacement for Miles and also is a good fit with Melo/Miller.