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Everyone here knows I'm in with Sean Williams and not a fan of Okafor. So this is my plan moving forward...

Right now I would trade Okafor to New Jersey for Sean Williams, Marcus Williams and a #1 pick. I do not want to wait until the summer to move Okafor because then we would be forced into a bad S&T. The reason I say this is because my goal is to clear enough cap space to sign Jamison. Also I want Sean Williams. Can't get him over the summer because contracts won't match up in an Okafor deal.

My main goal of this trade is cap space and Sean Williams. The #1 pick and Marcus Williams are just added bonuses. Marcus would be brought in to compete with Ray at point guard.

This takes us to the draft where we would have 2 first round picks. Our own which will probably be around #8 and then the Nets pick. The guy who I want in the draft is Collison. He's the defensive minded tough point guard that we need who will pressure the ball and allow JRich to be a better defender. Actually he will help our entire team play better defense.

Then with the Nets pick we can either use on best player available or trade it away for more veteran depth or future picks.

So getting rid of Okafor and clearing his salary off the cap gets us back 4 players. Sean Williams, Antawn Jamison, Nets #1 pick and Marcus Williams.

Harrington, McMinus, Anderson and Boykins do not come back next season.

Fire Shiny Head and replace him with Jeff Van Gundy. An excellent teacher and a really good defensive coach. Plus he has credibility.

Heading into next season this is my roster

Mohammed 6-10
Jamison 6-9
S.Williams 6-10
Hollins 7-0
Davidson 6-10
May 6-9

Wallace 6-7
Dudley 6-7
Ammo 6-8

JRich 6-6
Carroll 6-6

Collison 6-1
Felton 6-1
M.Williams 6-3

Pick from the Nets

Starting lineup

C - Mohammed
PF - Jamison
SF - Wallace
SG - JRich
PG - Collison

Bench

S.Williams - who can replace Mohammed or Jamison and might even start
Ammo - can play the 2 and 3
Raymond - can compete with Collison for the starting job
Dudley - provides the defensive toughness at the 3 and 4 and insurance in case Ammo sucks
M.Williams - can compete for the starting job and can also play the 2

May - who knows what to expect
Hollins - Can come in for a few minutes
Davidson- a project

Also I wouldn't be adverse to trading Raymond, May and Carroll. Since those 3 could really be dead weight next season if they don't improve and/or stay healthy as in the case of Sean May.

So there you have it, I have built an attacking aggressive offensive team who can beat you off the dribble, from the outside, in the post, and in transition.

On defense, the main thing I wanted to add was someone who can pressure the opposing teams point guard. Collison is that man. He will allow the rest of our guys to get set on defense.

In the post I've added Sean Williams who is developing into a terror down low. Dudley will be a year older and wiser. Right now he is showing signs of being really good on defense. Also with Williams and Collison, this will make Crash much on better on defense because Collison will force the opposing point guard into some difficult passes. That will leave Crash free to pick them off. Same for JRich.

Thoughts?

Good stuff...+1

You should put that Mek idea on the Trade Board...I'd be curious to see what other fans/Nets' fans would think of it.

Also I wouldn't be adverse to trading Raymond, May and Carroll. Since those 3 could really be dead weight next season if they don't improve and/or stay healthy as in the case of Sean May.

Add in Ammo to that (tho we're talking before next year's trade deadline vs. this summer)....and I'd LOOK to get rid/upgrade all of them. All players should be subject to upgrades, but especially bench players. I also think we need to replace Hollins because I'm concerned about big depth and Nazr's propensity for getting into foul trouble...maybe look for a Steven Hunter type.

Combine our pick in '08 (maybe some where in the 5-10 range could be higher with our tough schedule) and the Nets pick (maybe some where in the 10-15 range - could be higher with the way they are falling apart) to move up and draft Rose.

If we are aiming high...........

The use next year to find out who will back up up out of Felts and M.Williams and trade the other this time next year.

spectre_ wrote:Good stuff...+1

You should put that Mek idea on the Trade Board...I'd be curious to see what other fans/Nets' fans would think of it.

Also I wouldn't be adverse to trading Raymond, May and Carroll. Since those 3 could really be dead weight next season if they don't improve and/or stay healthy as in the case of Sean May.

Add in Ammo to that (tho we're talking before next year's trade deadline vs. this summer)....and I'd LOOK to get rid/upgrade all of them. All players should be subject to upgrades, but especially bench players. I also think we need to replace Hollins because I'm concerned about big depth and Nazr's propensity for getting into foul trouble...maybe look for a Steven Hunter type.

I would trade any of our bench guys in order to get a tough legit defensive minded big man. But I prefer to trade the Nets pick and someone like Carroll for that. Hollins I would trade too.

As for Ammo, I kind of want to hold onto him at least for one more year. I say this because his trade value can't get any lower than it is now. Plus we still need good role players, especially ones that can come in off the bench, provide a spark and make shots. We can't always rely on JRich. Now if Ammo sucks next season, then by all means get rid of him. But I think we owe it to ourselves to see it through for one more year.

BigSlam wrote:Combine our pick in '08 (maybe some where in the 5-10 range could be higher with our tough schedule) and the Nets pick (maybe some where in the 10-15 range - could be higher with the way they are falling apart) to move up and draft Rose.

If we are aiming high...........

The use next year to find out who will back up up out of Felts and M.Williams and trade the other this time next year.

I like Rose but for my team, I prefer a point guard who isn't a scorer. Now if you tell me Rose is more of a ball mover then I would be on board. But I do not want any Agent A-Hole or Starbury types running the point on our team. I hate scoring point guards. Also I need to see more of Rose on defense. So far he's been a bit shaky. I'm waiting for the NCAA tourney to get a better handle on Rose.

Also you have to decide how Rose would fit in with JRich, Wallace and Jamison. Those 3 are scorers. That is why we need a ball mover, someone who can direct the offense and also shut down the opposing teams point. Thats what I want. If you tell me Rose is that man, then I'm on board.

spectre_ wrote:Good stuff...+1

You should put that Mek idea on the Trade Board...I'd be curious to see what other fans/Nets' fans would think of it.

Posted. And I'm curious to see what people think Mek's value is.

Agree Bowens. I don't want a PG who is taking shots away from Swish and Crash.

This is why I like guy's like DJ Augustin (although over the past week or two he's been forcing his shot a little) and draw a big, black line through guys like Bayless.

I think Rose is one of those guys who is a happy medium. He's great at moving the ball around but knows when it's time to score.

And his D is more than ok. In fact it's pretty darn good.

You'll enjoy watching him.

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Posted. And I'm curious to see what people think Mek's value is.

Just for fun I might go to that thread and rip you a new one saying that you are an idiot, you don't represent Bobcats fans, you are under valuing EO50, we don't want a drug dealer and a thief on our roster and wont trade a 4.0 gpa student for them etc......

You know, good cop, bad cop!!

BigSlam wrote:Agree Bowens. I don't want a PG who is taking shots away from Swish and Crash.

This is why I like guy's like DJ Augustin (although over the past week or two he's been forcing his shot a little) and draw a big, black line through guys like Bayless.

I think Rose is one of those guys who is a happy medium. He's great at moving the ball around but knows when it's time to score.

And his D is more than ok. In fact it's pretty darn good.

You'll enjoy watching him.

Hey if Derrick Rose shows us in the tourney that he isn't Agent A-Hole and Starbury type point guard, then heck yeah I'm on board with Rose. I just want someone who can control the tempo, make smart intelligent decisions, gets everyone involved while also pressuring the opposing point guard on the other end.

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Just for fun I might go to that thread and rip you a new one saying that you are an idiot, you don't represent Bobcats fans, you are under valuing EO50, we don't want a drug dealer and a thief on our roster and wont trade a 4.0 gpa student for them etc......

You know, good cop, bad cop!!

Did you see on the trade board a Bulls fan was gracious enough to offer us the services of Tyrus Thomas.

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Did you see on the trade board a Bulls fan was gracious enough to offer us the services of Tyrus Thomas.

I think Slam needs to go over post haste and play bad cop....you're already giving concessions and no Nets' fan has even posted yet!

I think we NEED Marcus and that 1st...what should be under discussion is the (lack of) protection that 1st has.

Bowens wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


Did you see on the trade board a Bulls fan was gracious enough to offer us the services of Tyrus Thomas.

Ya, I did. Loved that he thought his package was "more" than your offer!!

I wouldn't mind TT - but I sure as heck wouldn't be giving up a lot to get him!!

How dare you start a thread with the "I" pronoun in the subject line!

I will grandstand about this point, make a big fuss, and contribute nothing else of value to the conversation.

Carry on.

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I think Slam needs to go over post haste and play bad cop....you're already giving concessions and no Nets' fan has even posted yet!

I think we NEED Marcus and that 1st...what should be under discussion is the (lack of) protection that 1st has.

I really want Sean Williams. (but I'm not telling Rod Thorn and Kiki that)

and I don't think them not including Marcus would be a deal breaker. But if you really want Marcus, then throw in May or Hollins.

As for the pick, most likely it will be 14-18 if they get Okafor and Devin Harris. The Nets aren't trading us a top 3 pick in this draft if they fall into the lottery and get lucky. The pick would have to be top 3 protected this season. Or, if you prefer, we can take a FUTURE unprotected pick. Your choice.

fluffernutter wrote:How dare you start a thread with the "I" pronoun in the subject line!

I will grandstand about this point, make a big fuss, and contribute nothing else of value to the conversation.

Carry on.

Well with the lack of activity on this board, I think all 6 of us Bobcats fans could start their own "If I were GM" threads, and nobody would even care.

i would be completely OK with these moves, not that i am sold on williamsx2. i think i am at a point with our roster that i am pretty much OK with doing something major like this, just to shake things up.

i agree 100% about ammo, but then again, consider the source i think i just want to keep ammo around to give something to root for next year.

as for felton, i have pretty much finally come to the realization that felton is not and never will be the true pg that many of us were expecting. that's not to say he doesnt still have great value and talent, he does. felton is really good at some things, like the pick and roll and getting to the basket. you cant underestimate the impact felton has on the opposing teams defense when he gets to the rim. plus this year he has been doing a much better job of finishing at the rim. he's also a streaky shooter and at times can really light it up from outside. and defensively he can hold his own. however, he is not a true, pass first pg. he does not have the skills or mentality to ochestrate an offense and lead a team. felton would be best served as a combo guard off the bench or as a pg playing along side a shooting guard or small forward that could create for others. sadly, we dont have the luxury, yet, of playing him as a combo guard off the bench and we dont have the sgs or sfs to compliment his strengths and weaknesses. that being said, felton would probably be best served on a different team, unless some major moves are made this offseason.

basically, i am just numb as a bobcats fans right now. i havent had much to say about anything on these boards lately because its been beaten to death. this team has sucked the life out of me this year. this is easily the least excited i have ever been about this franchise. this year was simply a disaster.

I don't mind shaking things up at this point...however I would rather see a fast paced, motion type offense. I don't think slowdown defensive teams are much fun to watch, unless we could become the Spurs.

And for my man Felton, if you trade him send him out West. Two reasons ... 1. Don't want to see him 4 times a year and 2. I want to see him on one of those running teams out West.

DaBassSource wrote:I don't mind shaking things up at this point...however I would rather see a fast paced, motion type offense. I don't think slowdown defensive teams are much fun to watch, unless we could become the Spurs.
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Well I would love to see a fast paced motion type offense, however, we don't have the players who are built for that type of game. What we do have are players who can get out on the break, but, in order to do that and do it well in the playoffs, you need guys who can get stops on the other end. That is where Sean Williams and someone like Collison comes in.

I am not advocating a slowdown defensive style. I want great defense which leads to easy baskets on the other end. IMO the most exciting basketball is played when you get a great defensive stop which in turn leads to a fast break followed by a hoop. Those are momentum changers and it gets the crown on their feet and you knock the other team right on their face. Thats what I want to see.

And then when we're in a half court set, I want quick passes, guys setting screens, moving without the ball and quality shots. JRich and Wallace are going to need to improve on that if we're ever going to consistently win games.

But the most important thing will be defense. Once we iron that out, we will consistently win more games.

fatlever wrote:i would be completely OK with these moves, not that i am sold on williamsx2. i think i am at a point with our roster that i am pretty much OK with doing something major like this, just to shake things up.

i agree 100% about ammo, but then again, consider the source i think i just want to keep ammo around to give something to root for next year.

as for felton, i have pretty much finally come to the realization that felton is not and never will be the true pg that many of us were expecting. that's not to say he doesnt still have great value and talent, he does. felton is really good at some things, like the pick and roll and getting to the basket. you cant underestimate the impact felton has on the opposing teams defense when he gets to the rim. plus this year he has been doing a much better job of finishing at the rim. he's also a streaky shooter and at times can really light it up from outside. and defensively he can hold his own. however, he is not a true, pass first pg. he does not have the skills or mentality to ochestrate an offense and lead a team. felton would be best served as a combo guard off the bench or as a pg playing along side a shooting guard or small forward that could create for others. sadly, we dont have the luxury, yet, of playing him as a combo guard off the bench and we dont have the sgs or sfs to compliment his strengths and weaknesses. that being said, felton would probably be best served on a different team, unless some major moves are made this offseason.

basically, i am just numb as a bobcats fans right now. i havent had much to say about anything on these boards lately because its been beaten to death. this team has sucked the life out of me this year. this is easily the least excited i have ever been about this franchise. this year was simply a disaster.

I think we're all numb right now. Time to shake it up!

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I am not advocating a slowdown defensive style. I want great defense which leads to easy baskets on the other end. IMO the most exciting basketball is played when you get a great defensive stop which in turn leads to a fast break followed by a hoop. Those are momentum changers and it gets the crown on their feet and you knock the other team right on their face. Thats what I want to see.

But the most important thing will be defense. Once we iron that out, we will consistently win more games.

Hear hear!!!