a fair trade with NJN

Sebzor · Post #1 » by **Sebzor** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 5:56 pm

PICKS: NJN: 15th / 24th / 45th
CHA: 5th / 35th

2 takes:
1: M. Carrol/S. May/J. Davidson/5th pick/35th pick
-for: T. Hassel/S. Williams/M. Williams/24th pick

2: O. Harrington/J. Davidson/5th pick
-for: S. Willams/M. Williams/45th pick

NJN rebuild:
1) Harris/Jefferson/Boone/Ager/Kristic(resigned)/Diop(resigned) + picks
Select: 5th: E. Gordon or O. Mayo
15th: T. Smith or A. Randolph or K. Love
35th: T. Gibson or J. Dorsey
45th: S. Singletary or D. Low
2) Harris/Jefferson/Boone/Ager/Kristic(resigned)/Diop(resigned) + picks
Select: 5th: E. Gordon or O. Mayo
15th: T. Smith or A. Randolph or K. Love
24th: D. Hardin or W. Daniels

CHA strengthen team to make PO's
1) resign Okafor/Hollins
Select: 24th: D. Hardin or S. Erden (store in Europe)
2) resign Okafor/Hollins
Select: 35th: T. Gibson or J. Dorsey
45th: S. Weems or A. Ponkrashov (store in Europe)

Post #2 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 6:10 pm

Don't see NJ doing this

spectre_ · Post #3 » by **spectre_** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 6:10 pm

1: M. Carrol/S. May/J. Davidson/5th pick/35th pick
-for: T. Hassel/S. Williams/M. Williams/24th pick

I'd probably lean towards doing that, but I don't know that the Bobcats would. If I'm not mistaken they've been averse to bringing in guys with questionable morale character.

I haven't heard anything negative since college on either of them however...so that might tip the scales in the other direction.

Is Hassell a decent perimeter defender?

Post #4 » by **Paydro70** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 6:47 pm

Yikes, really guys? You'd give up the 5th pick, 2 2nd rounders, and Carroll (May is probably worth nothing) for a late first and Sean Williams? Williams is an interesting player, but so is the 5th pick, whoever that may be.

Post #5 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 6:59 pm

Walt Cronkite wrote:Don't see NJ doing this

meaning I never even began to analyze it on our end.

spectre_ · Post #6 » by **spectre_** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:19 pm

Paydro70 wrote:Yikes, really guys? You'd give up the 5th pick, 2 2nd rounders, and Carroll (May is probably worth nothing) for a late first and Sean Williams? Williams is an interesting player, but so is the 5th pick, whoever that may be.

Sean AND Marcus. Sean was probably worth between a 7th and 10th pick last year and Marcus was around 15th I think. We'd also save money on Hammer's deal and (depending on whether Hassell is a good defender) would improve the perimeter D.

Breaking it down:

Sean & Marcus for the 5th (or 7th per DraftExpress)

Hassell/24th for Hammer/Davidson/35th

I don't see it being that bad of a deal from our end. Probably get burnt most in the 2nd group.

Post #7 » by **Paydro70** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 8:10 pm

I guess you like Marcus a lot more than I do. I don't think of him as being worth very much at all, he's played pretty poorly for NJ this year.

To me Sean isn't worth the 5th pick, he was picked 17th based on character, and I doubt he would have climbed inside the top 10 even without that. He's got talent, to be sure, but again, so does the #5 pick.

spectre_ · Post #8 » by **spectre_** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 8:39 pm

Paydro70 wrote:I guess you like Marcus a lot more than I do. I don't think of him as being worth very much at all, he's played pretty poorly for NJ this year.

To me Sean isn't worth the 5th pick, he was picked 17th based on character, and I doubt he would have climbed inside the top 10 even without that. He's got talent, to be sure, but again, so does the #5 pick.

Not especially, but I think both of them together are worth a lottery pick. So far as the 5th pick (7th per DraftExpress)...before the Ammo selection I'd agree pretty readily, but since then "A bird in the hand" seems to a good mantra to live by.

JValone · Post #9 » by **JValone** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 11:03 pm

Sean Williams is a beast, almost certainly better then what we'd get at 5. Who will be available there? Rose/Beasley will be gone, probably Bayless/Mayo as well. So that leave us with Gordon (undersized), Jordan (project), or Lopez (personally not interested). Assuming Williams stays out of trouble, and that is a somewhat bold assumption, he and Mek would absolutely control the paint for years to come. That kid has freakish athleticism, his only knock is personal issues and if he's gotten over that his potential is better then anybody at 5 this year. Mek/Williams along with Crash would be a formidable defensive front line, probably top 5 given time.

I'm not a big M. Williams fan but he's an upgrade at backup PG. I'd got with option 2 personally just because I'd rather keep Carrol and Davidson.

But as several others already said NJ would never do it. They're going through a youth movement right now and Harris/Williams are the only two pieces on their team who have a definite future with them. Building around those two is smart, much smarter then rolling the dice with projects at 5. They already gambled last year on Williams and it panned out, why risk it again when you got it right the first time?

Post #10 » by **Paydro70** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 4:03 am

I mean, great, we'd have two shot-blocking centers who can't play offense. Sign me up! Williams is a great shot blocker, but not a great rebounder, and has basically no offensive game. As a result, I feel like he's probably not better than some of the players available at 5 (Jordan, Mayo, etc.).

Marcus is an improvement over McInnis I guess, but he's basically replacement level. To me he adds nothing to the trade.

BeesWax · Post #11 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 2:20 pm

Paydro has a point wouldn't we rather have a scoring 4?

fluffernutter · Post #12 » by **fluffernutter** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 2:41 pm

Okafor's offensive limitations are very clear at this point. He's little more than serviceable offensively, and when he is well-guarded his options are few. We need more scoring at the 4.

spectre_ · Post #13 » by **spectre_** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 2:49 pm

No doubt we need a scoring 4, but after Beasley is there a solid selection like that around the 7th pick? I don't know as I've not seen a lot of those 4s projected play.

Picking up Williams on a rookie deal right before negotiating with Mek might possibly give us some leverage...or at least make the pain a little less if we can't reach an agreement.

This really isn't worth a big argument...NJ won't trade those two guys in the middle of a youth movement. They're going to want to get rid of Carter, not any of the rooks.

Post #14 » by **fatlever** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 4:37 pm

i am concerned that williams has seemingly lost some PT lately. what gives? is it just the rookie wall or is it something else?

Post #15 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 5:44 pm

Marcus - they brought in Devin

Sean - they brought in Diop

spectre_ · Post #16 » by **spectre_** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 5:53 pm

BigSlam wrote:Marcus - they brought in Devin

Sean - they brought in Diop

Weren't the Nets kind of limited since Kidd demanded a trade and pretty much said Dallas was the destination?

I do agree though that Marcus isn't a starter...at least in this stage of his career.

i am concerned that williams has seemingly lost some PT lately. what gives? is it just the rookie wall or is it something else?

I noticed that...like less than a minute of burn last night! Harris had an off night too from the looks of it.

Dunno what the deal is.

Post #17 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 6:35 pm

Boone is playing well and Kristic is back too. Add in Diop and I think that S.Williams becomes the 4th option big.

Post #18 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 9:14 pm

So he's available? WHY IS OKAFOR STILL HERE!@?!@?

Stupid trade deadline