Bobcats and Jazz

Post #1 » by **BigSlam** » Thu May 22, 2008 4:48 pm

Spectres idea - and so it has it's own identity from jd's Portland trade idea:

Nazr/Crash 9th for Boozer and Brewer.

I've said it about a zillion times in the last 24 hours - I love this idea.

Badd_Intentions · Post #2 » by **Badd_Intentions** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:02 pm

me 2, but would Utah let go of Booz/Brewer for Crash and a non-impact rook? I dont think, unless they are looking to shop him and that is the best they can get.

spectre_ · Post #3 » by **spectre_** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:05 pm

Not really my idea...this started on the trade board with Utah basically wanting Crash/Nazr/9th for Boozer, and after someone (I believe one of their fans) said that wasn't enough they threw in their pick. Someone else then mentioned Brewer instead...even said PLUS their pick.

This is just the simplied alternate version.

Edit:

Original thread:

Boozer for Crash, Nazr and #8

Utah fans showing bigtime love for Crash.

Post #4 » by **BigSlam** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:20 pm

Badd_Intentions wrote:me 2, but would Utah let go of Booz/Brewer for Crash and a non-impact rook? I dont think, unless they are looking to shop him and that is the best they can get.

They want AK47 playing the 4. He's more effective there. Boozer and Crash have comparable stats - but Crash is much better defensively. With the #9 pick, they go with someone like Gordon (if he is there) to fill the 2 spot - although Mo Almond was scorching hot in the D last season averaging something like 27ppg.

They are also worried about losing Boozer to the Heat in a couple of years when his deal is up because that is where he is from - but Charlotte is much closer to Miami than Utah is so maybe that would appease him?

D.Will - Price
Gordon - Almond
Crash - Korver
AK47 - Millsap
Okur - Collins

Felts - FA?
Brewer - Hammer
Swish - Dude - Ammo
Boozer - McMay - Davidson
EO50 - Hollins

The more I think about it the more perfect it seems. Seriously, EO50 would be off the charts good with a guy like Boozer next to him. Boozer attracts the double and is a pretty good passer so EO50 gets easy looks. He also uses his body and boxes out really well - which means easier boards for EO50.

He would be great for Felts because he can run the pick and pop AND the pick and roll - and when Boozer sets a screen, he really sets a screen.

He'd be great for Swish because he could help carry the scoring load and get him open looks when he attacks the double.

Having Brew would be perfect. A SG who doesn't need to score a lot to be effective (leave that up to Swish and Boozer with Felts, EO50 and Felts getting scappy points) but can handle and pass the rock as well as play serious lock down D.

It would be wonderful balance for our roster.

I think, so long as we can get a back up PG and a vet 5 via FA, that is a championship team.

Post #5 » by **fatlever** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:27 pm

why do the jazz fans want do this deal? would they move AK to pf? i dont get it.

chabber · Post #6 » by **chabber** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:31 pm

They want AK at the 4 yes. I don't get it either though. I have a hard time seeing how the Jazz would be a better team with this trade even if they got better defensively from it. I just think they are going coo coo after Boozer went into a slump a little before the playoffs. I doubt that Sloan or the Jazz management feel the same as their fans right now but I could be wrong.

I'd jump on the deal though. I wouldn't call us a finals contender but maybe a possible top 4 team in the East if it all went through.

Post #7 » by **BigSlam** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:35 pm

fatlever wrote:why do the jazz fans want do this deal? would they move AK to pf? i dont get it.

- They are dirty on him for going missing in the playoffs.
- They don't like his lack of D
- They are worried he is going to run to Miami when his deal is up
- They want to play AK47 at his more effecitve position of PF
- Crash is a stud on a very fair deal

Post #8 » by **Paydro70** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:42 pm

This would be totally bonkers for the Jazz. I really can't even process how stupid this would be. But uh, I'm all for it, obviously.

W_HAMILTON · Post #9 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:51 pm

BigSlam wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
- They are worried he is going to run to Miami when his deal is up

Why wouldn't we be worried about that? He's pretty shady when it comes to his contract situation.

Post #10 » by **Paydro70** » Thu May 22, 2008 6:13 pm

That's true... does he really want to go to Miami that bad? Enough to turn down an extra year and millions of dollars his Bird rights can get him?

spectre_ · Post #11 » by **spectre_** » Thu May 22, 2008 6:23 pm

Paydro70 wrote:That's true... does he really want to go to Miami that bad? Enough to turn down an extra year and millions of dollars his Bird rights can get him?

Exactly. I don't know Miami's cap situation, but most likely they'll need a S&T to get him unless he'll play for the MLE (he won't)...which puts the ball in our court.

Worst case we free up 11 million bucks and become a player in FA...but I doubt seriously if that came to pass. As Slam said, Miami isn't that far away from Charlotte.

Heck, who's to say they don't end up with Beasley and then not need Booz?

W_HAMILTON · Post #12 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Thu May 22, 2008 6:36 pm

Who cares about Miami? What's to say he won't "do what's best for him" again and leave us high and dry like he did Cleveland? It could be anywhere.

He's missed even more games than Wallace over the past three seasons, he was a no-show offensively in the playoffs, and he will probably opt out after next season, which means we get to negotiate with a player who has already done shady things on contract negotations before. You can expect to either lose him, or pay the absolute max for him, and hope he it's still not in his "best interest" to go elsewhere.

I see why you would want to do the deal, but there are plenty of downsides as well. If he were under contract for a few more seasons, sure. If he hadn't screwed over his previous team so he could cash in elsewhere, sure, maybe. But that's a lot of risk involved there.

Post #13 » by **fatlever** » Thu May 22, 2008 7:08 pm

well i agree about one thing... AK should be playing PF, but possibly for a different team, cause no way i would trade boozer if i was the jazz.

spectre_ · Post #14 » by **spectre_** » Thu May 22, 2008 7:47 pm

Bird Rights are a powerful thing, so it'd be extremely hard for us to be left "high and dry". As I said before though, even if that did come about it'd put us in a position to be a player in a rich FA year.

Miami is purported to be the team he would want to go to, which is why that team was mentioned. He can certainly try and go to the highest bidder, but how many teams will likely have the space to sign him flat out? Three max? He won't be able to force us into anything.

Besides, that's why we're wanting Brewer included.

I agree, Fats...I doubt seriously if Utah would do it. Very doubtful they're "knee jerking" like their fans are.

e4Nf6 · Post #15 » by **e4Nf6** » Thu May 22, 2008 7:49 pm

Post #16 » by **BigSlam** » Thu May 22, 2008 8:12 pm

W_HAMILTON wrote:I see why you would want to do the deal, but there are plenty of downsides as well.

There are downsides to all trades - but there are upsides too.

Boozer would fill a much needed role for us, is affordable and even if he did run, would allow us cap space if he did.

Brewer would be compensation for that.

W_HAMILTON · Post #17 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Thu May 22, 2008 8:14 pm

So, it's okay if we end up with just Brewer and cap space from this deal? Hell, might as well just keep Wallace and trade him for a pick to a team that is under the cap down the road.

And Bird Rights don't mean much if the player wants to leave. If he wants to leave, he can leave; he won't be restricted, so we can't do a thing about it, other than throw tons of money at him and hope he wants to stay. If he couldn't lead Utah anywhere, I don't see how he would do much better here, where we would be even more reliant on him for production than they are.

W_HAMILTON · Post #18 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Thu May 22, 2008 8:17 pm

When did Brewer turn into some sort of basketball god? He must be, if the prospect of trading away one of our best players for him and cap space is a good one.

CAE15 · Post #19 » by **CAE15** » Fri May 23, 2008 1:21 am

Bigger reason jazz fans are worried about boozer bolting is we dont know if the jazz will offer a max contract, the heat will offer him max but utah may not be able to afford that. with dwill getting a max and ak having a max and okur being in a similar situation as Boozer. We know that we are close to being a championship team we just need to find the final pieces and if ak can produce at the 4 like he used to we feel this makes us better. Although most of us are not to keen on including brewer in the deal seeing as we would like to go

Deron,Brewer,Crash,AK,Okur

spectre_ · Post #20 » by **spectre_** » Fri May 23, 2008 2:07 am

I responded on the trade board, but I'll comment here too.

Crash is one of if not our best player on a sweet 4 yr guaranteed contract, and the 9th will garner one of Westbrook/Love/Gordon/Randolph...all good potential for starter material. If the worst happens (and as Hamilton noted it's conceivable as Boozer has looked after himself regardless of commitments in the past) and Boozer walks, we'd be left with a late 1st round player who probably won't see a lot of PT unless it's in the D League and that's it.

You're also getting our only real backup center in this deal which forces an MLE signing.

I understand that the Jazz don't want to part with Brewer, but there's no way we could make a deal like this unless he is included. As it is Crash is a lot of fans' most favorite player (myself included) and a lot wouldn't be happy regardless.