What would it take for PDX to get Felton?

[Goldbum]

I was kind of thinking: Jack/Frye/Rodriguez #13 and the rights to Joel Freeland for Felton and Harrington?

I think every one of those players could really contribute in CHA. Jack seems like more of a Larry Brown PG than Felton. Frye could start next to EO. Rodriguez really reminds me of Marc Jackson who Brown liked. Joel Freeland is looking very good in EUR and gives you more depth/shooting/athleticism at the 4 and 5, and of coarse you get the #13 pick.

For PDX Feltons weaknesses are hid by Brandon Roy at the 2. Harrington is of coarse waived.

[W_HAMILTON]

Done.

[BigSlam]

"What would it take for PDX to get Felton?"

W_Hamilton buying him a ticket?

[Goldbum]

"What would it take for PDX to get Felton?"

W_Hamilton buying him a ticket?

Are you guys just "Felton Haters" or do you think this is something you front office would look at.

[BigSlam]

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Are you guys just "Felton Haters" or do you think this is something you front office would look at.

I'm not a hater. There just seems to be a very clear line when it comes to Felts and some of the posters. There is only black and white - there is no grey.

Looking at your offer, it's pretty tempting. Having the #9 and #13 might allow us to combine the picks and move up in the draft to get what we want or use them both and add depth. The only real problem with your offer is that Jack doesn't seem to be a starting quality PG and neither is Rodriguez. Jack is said to lack vision and be hopeless in the half court and Rodriguez is more out of control than Felts.

Because of that, we might end up having to use one of the picks on a PG - which sort of defeats the purpose.

If we could package the picks and move up to get Mayo - so long as we are SOLD on him being able to play the point full time, then I think I would do it.

Mayo - Swish - Crash - Frye - EO50

[W_HAMILTON]

Even Felton's biggest fans should approve of that deal.

Jack/Frye/#13 would be plenty enough for me to trade him. The other stuff is just a bonus.

We could use #9/#13 to trade up, or go after another PG/PF with our picks.

We'd be a much better team if we did that deal.

[W_HAMILTON]

It should be more than just tempting.

It should be a no-brainer.

[BigSlam]

It should be more than just tempting.

It should be a no-brainer.

I'm hesitant to go through the teething pains of a rookie PG for the next 2 or 3 years again. That's the cause of my hesitation.

If we did the deal, didn't trade up and stayed at #9 and #13 drafting Randolph and DJ or Love and Westbrook are we that better off?

[Goldbum]

[quote="BigSlam"][/quote]

Jack is actually one of the most underated players on Real GM. He was a very good player for us as a PG year before last. However last year he was asked to play SG as we didn't have a SG to back Roy up and we had added Blake who McMillian loves. I'm not saying he's a great player(if he was I wouldn't want to trade him for felton ) but he's very underrated. You could have McRoberts and #33 instead of Rodriguez if you prefer.

[BigSlam]

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Jack is actually one of the most underated players on Real GM.

Under rated by who?

blazersmaniac8 jack is just a lost cause. But as for who has more value around the league who do you think? I would say jack cause he is a pg (or at least labeled as one haha)

Telfaire Jack is not a PG, he's an undersized SG, and there's no shortage of those in the league.

UGotThrilled like Jack, and want him to do well. But he hasnt been consistent enough to fit our team

Dutchv I don't care what we get back for him. I'd take a box of cracker jacks for him at this point. UHHHHGG I can't stand watching that guy make mistake after mistake and then try and be an emotional leader. Quit making mistakes that takes the wind out of your teammates sails then trying to get them pumped up. Is Nate so dumb that Jack's "emotional leader" bull works on him?

Dogmont The emotions that everyone is tired of, is the hanging of the head after a turnover/bad play/poor shot selection/all of the above. Everyone likes him, but ....read all the previous posts about him... seems like it's getting repetitious..

Waverider After this yr's regression by Jack, besides death and taxes as "sure things" - he is GONE IMO and prayers...lol

541Blaza yea yea we all know, JACK IS HORRIBLE.

Dutchv Man JJ is so nice of a person.... I hate the fact that I dislike him as a player so much. Oh well, it's his fault for horrid decision making

Listerine I agree that Jack will probably be gone next season. His stupid turnovers and mediocre defense has just cost us too many games.

But let's give the man some credit. Outside of Roy, Jack is the best player on this team at attacking the basket and finishing. Unfortunately, when he attacks and tries to dish out, it exposes his complete lack of court sense.

Dutchv J is not good at attacking the basket. He is hardly ever in control, and the refs realize that. Did you guys quit watching games? Because if you are still watching, I want to know WHY you think Jarrett is good at attacking the basket. He is more prone to getting on offensive foul or throwing the ball away than finishing.

[Goldbum]

By Blazerfans and thus everyone else. Our beat writer Jason Quick doesn't like Jack and many PDX fans have kinda followed his lead. This was a frustrating year for him in alot of ways and so as fans we've ovwer reacted. I think Jack and Frye play much better when someone on the team can demand a double team in the post. Look what happened to both of their #'s over the last 10 games when Aldridge started to act like a man down low.

[BigSlam]

We don't have anyone who warrants a double down low though, so Frye would probably attract a lot of heat. I did see his last 5 games for you guys though and I do like him. I think he plays the pick and pop quite well. I also thought he defended well. I think he would fit in with Okafor well - and having played under Brown before is an advantage.

Because we lack ball handling at the 2 - want to do over the 2006 draft, give us Roy and you take Ammo??? ; ) we really need a PG who can create for others. I'm not sure if Jack can do that. Knowing that Brown likes a half court offense means we need a PG who knows his stuff to execute the plays.

If we could combine the tow picks, move up and grab Mayo to play the 2 guard then that would help - but then we would need to move Crash for something as Swish would move to the 3.

I like the deal if we can play Jack next to Mayo, but that then leaves us with the challange of figuring out what to do with Crash.

[W_HAMILTON]

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I'm hesitant to go through the teething pains of a rookie PG for the next 2 or 3 years again. That's the cause of my hesitation.

If we did the deal, didn't trade up and stayed at #9 and #13 drafting Randolph and DJ or Love and Westbrook are we that better off?

Yes. Hell, yes.

Frye + Jack + #9 + #13 >>> Felton + #9

And I'm no fan of the "teething pains" either, but we're going to have them regardless, even if we hold onto Felton. He isn't even through his "teething" stage yet. Add in the fact we brought in a coach that is very hard on PGs and expects them to play a way that Felton has not played for his entire career, and odds are there's a lot of "teething pains" left.

If we add Jack, or draft a PG, I would hope the organization would realize from their previous mistakes that you can't force a player to develop, and would supplement them with a veteran PG, which is something we need regardless.

Basically, I don't see this franchise being stupid enough to gut our PG depth to ensure that Jack "succeeds" at PG, handicapping the team in the process. That in itself is a positive. So, Jack probably isn't the long-term answer as our starting PG, and the franchise probably won't coddle him and try to force him to develop -- but that's a good thing, in my opinion. He'd settle into whatever role helps the team (combo guard, backup PG, 3rd string PG, whatever), and if he isn't good enough, we would look to shore up the position in other ways.

That's a step forward from how things were handled this season.

[spectre_]

Eh, it's close to fair I guess. We've already kind of established a baseline of 9th/Ammo for Frye/Jack/13th (with us assuming Ammo's pure filler), so that takes out the filler and adds Felts for the 9th. It does make us worse at the PG slot and we don't know that Frye or the lottery pick will be a surefire starter.

I'm just not impressed enough with anyone in the 6-10 range to want to pull the trigger, and I doubt seriously if Brown would want to go into the season with Jarrett Jack as his starting PG.

If we're trading Felts for a pick I'd rather target Seattle and have a shot at Mayo. That way at least Ridnour or Watson would come back and maybe Wilcox (we add more filler of course).

[W_HAMILTON]

Am I living in an alternate reality? It's more than "close to fair." It's basically Frye + Jack + #13 for Felton. Felton. That is so good, that there's zero chance of Portland doing this deal, unless they are into charity trades like Memphis.

If there was an talent-equivalent trade with Okafor/Wallace/Richardson, I would do it simply because we would be getting so much in return. And this ain't Okafor/Wallace/Richardson, it's Felton. That's insane value for him. I'd be surprised if we could get one of those guys + #13 for him, much less all of them + #13.

And I doubt Brown would want Jack as the starting PG, but again -- that's a good thing. We would realize that the position is not our strength, and look to bolster it -- something we should have done this season, instead of purposefully making ourselves weaker at PG in a failed attempt at spurring on Felton's development.

Jack would probably not be the long-term answer at PG, and I would think our organization wouldn't be dumb enough to try and force it out of him. They would recognize his weaknesses, accept him for what he is, and put him in a role where he can best help this team.

They won't coddle him and try to force him to develop into something he's not, and that's a good thing.

[Felton for Pres]

I agree with W_Hamilton that it is more than a fair trade. I think Jack is underrated and can be a good backup, Frye would be a nice fit and another draft pick could be packaged with the 9 and maybe move up and get Mayo.

However, I don't think you do it unless there is something else in the works for the PG spot. We end up with no real starting PG. In Larry's system, you need a solid floor leader who can initiate the offense and pressure the primary ballhandler. Felton can do that (and I think will do it very well). Mayo is not a PG despite the fact that people think he can play the position, plus, I don't think Brown would be too thrilled with a shoot first rookie guard running his show.

So I'm against the trade unless someone tells how we end up with a real non-rookie starting caliber PG.

[Rich4114]

There's only a handful of people who would ever do that trade from the Bobcats side and you're one of them Hamilton.

Teams don't win games without quality PG's, so unless we're getting another quality PG out of the deal who we don't have to wait 2-3 years to develop then why suffer through that process only to come out maybe even? If we were to go into next season with Jack or a rookie as our starting PG you might as well just write the season off until we're able to land another PG at least as good as Felton and hopefully better if we're dealing him away. You act good PG's grow on trees, I'm not willing to wait for that again... and being bitter about your boy Brevin Knight being cut or Mcinnis being cut isn't going to help you gain any credibility on the subject. Neither of those two clowns ever won anything, especially at the pro level. Felton still can and probably will.

So in conclusion, no to this deal because it doesn't make us better, it just gives us more players.

We have an abundance of wings, try swapping one of them for a scoring PF instead so we can take a step forward instead of backwards.

[WaydownSouth]

I'm with Hamilton on this one... This trade you don't even have to think about, it's a yes. It's great value for Felton.

I could deal with Jack running the PG for a year or until Larry could find a pointguard of his liking if we could add two lottery picks this season.

I'd then try and see if Memphis would bite on a Lowry for May and 2010 second.

[Paydro70]

Well, there's no question this is very good value. I would be willing to do it, because hopefully, with that many assets, there's a deal for a PG out there. Perhaps the Raptors would take two firsts for Ford/Calderon? Then it's a backup PG, a rotation PF, and a borderline allstar PG in exchange for Felton and #9, which would be crazy awesome.

It is, however, contingent on the second deal being out there somewhere. If not, while we get good value, it's just loading up prospects and not actually improving our ability to win.

[W_HAMILTON]

We get to play one of my favorite games!

WHAT WOULD <INSERT AVERAGE PG> PUT UP IF HE TOOK FELTON'S PLACE?

I don't especially like Jack, but let's say you put him on our team, started him every game, gave him 37.6 mpg, let him shoot almost 13 shots/game, and let him do the majority of the ball-handling and decision-making.

What is the absolute worst he would do?

14ppg and 5-6 assists?

That's an absolute worst-case scenario.

That's not that far of a drop-off from what we get from Felton, and we have the added bonus of not expecting Jack to be our starting PG for the next decade, so hopefully we will be smart enough to bolster the position instead of solely relying on him.

It's addition by subtraction, in a way. Jack might not produce at the same level as Felton, but the team would probably realize this, and realize they need to bring in more help at PG. And Jack + a solid veteran PG would be better than Felton + a crap PG because if we get a good backup PG it would $*!(& up Felton's chi.