Pho Char Trade

ohara · Post #1 » by **ohara** » Fri May 30, 2008 4:12 pm

Phoenix needs an infusion of new blood at SF. Grant Hill is about retirement age and Diaw is merely a back up.

Trade Crash for Barbosa and #15? Crash gives Phoenix the young athletic SF they need. We get Barbosa to play SG, J-Rich moves to SF where he is most comfortable, and we have Okafor at Center. Char then has #9 and #15 to grab their PF and the BPA. For the $ to work, Pho will also have to send another body.

Seems to benefit both teams. Like it? Wanted to get feedback from the Bobcat fans before I posted it on the Big Board.

chrbal · Post #2 » by **chrbal** » Fri May 30, 2008 4:19 pm

Its not bad, but I don't think Phoenix would do it.

Post #3 » by **BigSlam** » Fri May 30, 2008 4:21 pm

I don't think that Barbosa is a very good defender, so while I don't mind the idea of the trade, I think it leaves us very weak defensviely.

Good idea though ohara, keep them coming.

(and it's great to see you over here at RGM!!)

W_HAMILTON · Post #4 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Fri May 30, 2008 4:40 pm

It's not awful like some of the other trades I've seen proposed, but I wouldn't do it.

ohara · Post #5 » by **ohara** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:23 pm

I think having #9 and #15 gives us some very nice options. We can go with Westbrook at #9, not only b/c he can be a solid Combo Guard off the bench, but he is terrific on Defense. And the options at PF at #15 still give us options like Kosta Kufous (sp) who I think would be very nice at #15, but not at #9. JaVale McGee would be there at #15 and also be a very nice pick.

W_HAMILTON · Post #6 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:29 pm

Between Barbosa, Felton, and Westbrook (who you say is a combo-guard), how many combo-guards does one roster need?

I'd rather have Wallace and Randolph/Augustin. We don't give up one of our best players, and still get the chance to fill one of our two biggest holes.

ohara · Post #7 » by **ohara** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:02 pm

Ray would play the starting PG. No more moving him to SG where he doesn't belong. Barbosa is a SG, but he has handles and can play some PG if needed. Westbrook is the same as Barbosa. One PG and 2 SG who can also play some PG if needed. That is just about right. You never know when the injury bug bites, and we know how badly we needed a PG to back up Ray when he was out of the game.

W_HAMILTON · Post #8 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:08 pm

As I was saying, three combo-guards is not what this team needs.

A PG that actually likes to pass and sets his team mates up and put them ahead of his own offense is what this team needs, especially considering the offensive talent we DO have.

That's why I like Augustin the more and more I read about him. A PG that actually likes to pass!

Post #9 » by **BigSlam** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:13 pm

W_HAMILTON wrote:That's why I like Augustin the more and more I read about him. A PG that actually likes to pass!

If he was 3 inches taller he would be the talk of the draft class.

ohara · Post #10 » by **ohara** » Fri May 30, 2008 7:38 pm

And if I were 3 inches bigger ......

W_HAMILTON · Post #11 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Fri May 30, 2008 8:08 pm

BigSlam wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
If he was 3 inches taller he would be the talk of the draft class.

Boy, if I could only think of a situation where a pure PG deemed too short was drafted lower than he should have been, and turned into a really good player. Hmm, I'm sure it's happened before. I'll keep wracking my brain trying to think of why this situation seems so familiar :lol:

Post #12 » by **fatlever** » Fri May 30, 2008 8:08 pm

if we added barbosa i would prefer we passed on westbrook at 9. in fact i would prefer would packaged 9 and 15 to move up to get love or mayo or packaged both picks and some dead weight for a proven pf.

but really, in this case, i'd hang on to crash.... and you guys know i love barbosa, so....

Post #13 » by **BigSlam** » Fri May 30, 2008 8:16 pm

W_HAMILTON wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Boy, if I could only think of a situation where a pure PG deemed too short was drafted lower than he should have been, and turned into a really good player. Hmm, I'm sure it's happened before. I'll keep wracking my brain trying to think of why this situation seems so familiar

ZING!!

(keep in mind you are preaching to eh choir here - I am a huge DJ fan and have been since last season - as is Walt)

ohara · Post #14 » by **ohara** » Fri May 30, 2008 8:54 pm

We could skip on Westbrook at #9 and package #9 and #15, but would not have to do that for Love. We can get him at #9. Moving up to get Mayo would take away our shot to grab both a PF and a BPA tho. I was thinking of this move to get Barbosa to play SG, and then having 2 picks to grab a PF and BPA.

Post #15 » by **fatlever** » Fri May 30, 2008 8:59 pm

i am of the opinion that love will go top 6... but thats just me. i have a higher opinion of him than most. i could be wrong.

Post #16 » by **fatlever** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:13 pm

W_HAMILTON wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Boy, if I could only think of a situation where a pure PG deemed too short was drafted lower than he should have been, and turned into a really good player. Hmm, I'm sure it's happened before. I'll keep wracking my brain trying to think of why this situation seems so familiar

your boy brevin knight was drafted 16th. sounds about right for a marginal starting pg, who is a poor shooter and a poor man to man defender and who only played more than 70 games twice in 11 years, yet, as everyone then knew, was a great passer. its not like everyone projected brevin to be a top 10 pick and he sat in the green room for 3 hours until finally getting drafted in the second round, while dick vitale flipped out about teams passing him over. he was drafted just about where he should have been.

W_HAMILTON · Post #17 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:16 pm

I was referring to Chris Paul.

Post #18 » by **fatlever** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:31 pm

if its not brevin, i should have figured it was paul. well in that case... good point. although its not like he dropped far. 4th is high for a small pg. and you cant really argue about deron at 3. that was a good pick for utah. deron fit there system well. marvin williams at 2 however, bad move. talk about swinging for the fence.

W_HAMILTON · Post #19 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:40 pm

4th is low for an MVP-caliber player.

You would think I would know it all about Knight, but you keep giving these great nuggets of knowledge about his history every now and then! I hope "my boy" doesn't find out I know little about what he did before he came to Charlotte, or after he left Charlotte, or else he might think that I only cared about what he did for our team! I wouldn't want "my boy" to think I don't care about him if he's not on our team! Eeeeek!

Post #20 » by **fatlever** » Fri May 30, 2008 10:07 pm

LOL....ahhh come on ham. you know you watched a ton of clippers games this year.

brevin was fun to watch at stanford. i was a big fan. he fell into a good situation with the cavs when he was drafted as they were rebuilding. unfortunately he had to follow two great pgs, mark price and terrell brandon. needless to say the cavs organization was a bit spoiled in terms of pgs. i thought they gave up on brevin too quickly. but they replaced him with andre miller, so its hard to question that move, i guess.

anyway....

i am excited to see that small pgs are in vogue again. i hated that trend of big slow strong hand-checking pgs in the 90s. that crap about ruined the nba for me. damn you derek harper.