What do we have that you could want?

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #1 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 11:40 am

We being the Raptors, we need a allstar 2 or 3 so either richardson, wallace or the stretch being Okafor. Heres what we have everything outside of bosh can be had

1) two starting calibur point guards one of allstar calibur in jose
2) former #1 in bargnani who had a bad year but runner up in ROY last year
3) 2 time 3 point champ in kapono
4) 20 mill+ in expiring contracts
5) biggest bargins in the NBA in moon

Would any of that packaged be enough to land either wallace or richardson?

Post #2 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 12:22 pm

Here is the response:

You want one of our best three players but we can only get your fringe players back.

How do you think this might turn out?

It would be like us saying:

We being the Bobcats, we need an allstar PF so Bosh would be great. Heres what we have everything outside of Richardson and Okafor can be had

1) A starting calibur point guard in Felton
2) former #3 in morrison who had an injrued year bad year but showrd great things in SL last year
3) Awsome 3 point shooter in Carroll
4) Amazing rookie SF with a vet approach to the game in Dudley
5) Gerald Wallace who is on a very fair contract, is young and dynamic at the SF position

Would any of that packaged be enough to land Bosh?

You are asking for an allstar 2 or 3 but aren't willing to give up enough to get one.

That's not how it works.

Post #3 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 3:23 pm

wallace for calderon would be a fair deal, imo, but i'm not sure LB would prefer jose's passing over feltons defense.

i'd want to have a second deal lined up for felton though. one that would land us a starting calibur pf.

Felton for Pres · Post #4 » by **Felton for Pres** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 3:39 pm

fatlever wrote:wallace for calderon would be a fair deal, imo,

really? while calderon had a great year (my best FA fantasy pick up ever!!), you would give up wallace for him? is it just a concern of injury on wallace's side or do you really believe calderon is a game changing PG?

i couldn't agree to that trade. wallace brings too much to the table even if he is a little duplicative with JRich.

Post #5 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 4:10 pm

I agree with FFP. I wouldn't give up Crash for Jose. I'd rather just ride it out and see what we have with Felts than move Crash for Jose.

spectre_ · Post #6 » by **spectre_** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 5:02 pm

Felton for Pres wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

really? while calderon had a great year (my best FA fantasy pick up ever!!), you would give up wallace for him? is it just a concern of injury on wallace's side or do you really believe calderon is a game changing PG?

i couldn't agree to that trade. wallace brings too much to the table even if he is a little duplicative with JRich.

Agreed.

Caleron (has no D)/Swish/Ammo/stud PF that Felts brings even though his trade value can't be high after the Idiot/Mek

We probably have what would amount to the 2009 all defensive team right there.

Raps don't have anything I want that they'd be willing to trade for either of our starting wings.

Post #7 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 5:04 pm

i would only do that deal if i had a coach that wanted jose's style at pg. i'm not sure LB could tolerate jose's poor defense, so its probably not even worth discussing.

but i do believe jose is a great talent at pg and of equal value to crash. great passing pgs are rare.

chrbal · Post #8 » by **chrbal** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 5:14 pm

Wouldn't mind getting Humphries or their 1st. I wouldn't trade anything they want for that though.

Bobcats and Raptors just don't make good trade partners right now.

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #9 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 7:28 pm

What about if you sent felton+fillers for al harington assuming baron opts out.

Felton+Mohammad

For

Harington

Works in trade checker

You then become
PG
J rich
Wallace
Harington
Okafor

Toronto trades,
Calderon(BYC 9 million so 4.5)
Hump(2.5)
Baston(2)
Moon(712 000)

Charlotte Trades:
Wallace
Dudley

Bobcats become
Calderon
J rich
Moon
Harington
Okafor

Toronto becomes
Ford/Roko
Parker/Kapono
Wallace/Dudley
Bosh/?
Rasho/Bargnani

August Us Seazr · Post #10 » by **August Us Seazr** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 8:14 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:
Works in trade checker

Now THERE'S a reason to trade away the core!

Post #11 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 8:22 pm

interesting...

however, i dont think i could stomach losing both crash and dudley. dudley has to stay if we lose wallace.

ultimately though, i just dont think calderon is a good fit in charlotte now that we have LB.

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #12 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 8:45 pm

the reason i added Dudley is because toronto lets go of moon who is essentially dudley but with better numbers

Post #13 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 8:47 pm

Moon is NOTHING like Dudley!!

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #14 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 8:55 pm

ok is moon better than?

Dudley- 6 points
4 boards

Moon-9 points
6 rebounds

Dudley FG% .468
FT % .737
3P%.220

Moon FG % .485
FT %- .741
#P%- .328

Dudley APG- 1.1
SPG- 0.8
BPG-0.1

Moon APG-1.2
SPG-1
BPG-1.4

sorry what does Dudley beat moon at :-?

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #15 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 8:56 pm

Dudley weighs more than moon but thats all he beats him at so sorry but care to explain how at all Dudley is NOTHING like Moon!!!

spectre_ · Post #16 » by **spectre_** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 10:11 pm

Felton/Mohammad/Wallace/Dudley

for

Calderon/Moon/Harrington

No thanks.

I like Moon, but you're neglecting to mention that he plays almost 28 minutes per game vs. Duds' 19. Per 36 their stats are pretty close...Moon gets him by a half a rebound (tho Duds is a better offensive rebounder). Points are the same at 11. Duds gets him by a half an assist.

Regardless, their games are nothing alike. Moon is like a poor man's Crash, Duds is the high BBIQ guy that always seems to find the right spot. We need to hang onto him, or at least not treat him as filler.

Post #17 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 10:16 pm

he didnt say one was better than the other... he said they were not alike. they are different players in terms of playing style. moon is much more athletic, where dudley is more of a cerebral player. moon is more like wallace than he is like dudley. however they both are tweener sf/pf, both play defense and both seem to provide energy and are willing to be complimentary players.

but while we are comparing... here's a big difference - moon 28 minutes per game; dudley 19 minutes per game.

we LOVE duds here in charlotte and i believe most of us would just rather hang onto him... much how i suspect most raptor fans feel about moon.

Post #18 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jun 3, 2008 10:18 pm

thats creepy... spectre, you're in my head. i'm just a slow poster... you know, trying to do some actual work while posting and all...

Post #19 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 4, 2008 12:20 pm

Not only have Spectre and Fats nailed everything that makes Moon and Dude different, lets not forget that Moon is 28 years old and Dude is only 22 years old.

Again, they are nothing alike.

T-Spot · Post #20 » by **T-Spot** » Wed Jun 4, 2008 11:27 pm

I'd rather send Ford over for Wallace [if Charlotte is at all interested in getting a new point guard], because if we sent Calderon out that would mean that our three best players after the deal are Bosh, Wallace and Ford, and we'd be lucky too see all of them suit up for more than 65 games a piece.

Is there any sort of trade Charlotte fans can see centered around Ford [and the Toronto pick?] for Wallace?