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I have ben reading about this trade being discussed b/t NY and Philly. NY trading Zach Randolph and #6 to Philly for Reggie Evans and #16. I know Zach has a bad rep, but he is a 20 pt 10 reb player. Not much on Defense, but still has great offense. Is NY so desiring to cut payroll that they will give a 20-10 player away with 6 to get a scrub and #16?

Gosh, I dont know that I would not trade May, Ammo and Harrington to NY with #9 for Zach and #6. I know salary wise this may be difficult with resigning Okafor, but that would be 3 starters avg 20 pts, with Okafor and Ray avg at least 15 each. 90 pts from your starters, with Carroll, Dudley and #6 coming off the bench. We'd avg 110 / game which is vey potent. Granted, Zach is not much on Defense, but he does grab 10 reb per game. I guess it would really depend upon whether LB thought he could coach him.

Now, this is just my initial thoughts after reading of this trade talk. If you think I am way off base, just tell me why. Maybe you can help me understand. But 20-10 and moving up 3 spots to #6 for merely giving 3 bench players with #9 does not sound too crazy to me.

Zach sucks. Sure, his numbers don't look too bad, but they are hollow. He is a black hole and there is a reason that he wears his welcome out where ever he is - not to mention the off court trouble he attracts.

Add in his contract which has $14.5, $16 and $17.5 million left on it and I wouldn't go near him with a barge pole.

I would like to get a look at that #6 pick though!! Just not at the cost of bringing Z-Bo in.

NO NO NO NO!!!!!

The difference between talent available at 6 and 9 does not justify taking on that overweight slug. Even though we would be getting rid of our own overweight slug. It's just that their overweight slug makes a lot more money than our overweight slug.

I understand what everyone is saying. But you cannot ignore one fact. He is a pretty solid 20 - 10 player. And we certainly could use those type of numbers from our PF. That said, wasn't he in NY when Brown was there, or did he come the year after? If he was there and Brown dealt with him, then if he thinks about pursuing him, that tells you LB trusts him and thinks he can make him work for us. But if he doesn't, then he feels the same about him that most people seem to feel.

Anyway, I certainly cannot argue with you guys on his rep. I just have not watched him enough to know.

He might be a 20 and 10 guy - but at what cost?

Off court issues, locker room issues, cap issues, taking shots away from others issues, being a black hole issues.

A guy like Zach Randolph is fools gold.

Yeah, no deal to this. There's nobody on NY's roster I would want other than like David Lee and they'd be idiots to trade #6 after sucking this long and not having a single lotto pick to show for it.

His 20 and 10 sound great on your fantasy team, but Zbo is a dog and would never play for LB. He is a loser and has lost everywere he has played (except at mich st)

I think we may have discussed Randolph before on this board. I disagree with the posters here... he's basically exactly what we want out of our PF, minus the defense. He's an excellent rebounder, has a very good jump shot, and can score in the post. We trade away nothing of value, and actually IMPROVE our pick, just for the sake of paying his salary. It's not as if we'd have cap space, so I don't think we're losing anything, frankly.

The "black hole" accusation is ludicrous; Emeka passes far less, and less effectively, than Randolph, but we don't all complain about him. He's played on horrendous teams that have leaned on his scoring ability, and usually he's been able to come through. I don't even know what "taking shots away from others" means; is he stealing it from teammates? Or is it that he doesn't pass, even though he does more than Mohammed, Emeka, Hollins, and Davidson?

Anyway, this is obviously all about the off-court troubles. I doubt Larry Brown would ever be willing to bring him in, and I think he'd be justified in doing so. If the team is going to be based on discipline and obedience, I doubt Randolph would work well. But he is talented, and if we had a different coach this would be quite a deal.

Paydro70 wrote:The "black hole" accusation is ludicrous; Emeka passes far less, and less effectively, than Randolph, but we don't all complain about him. He's played on horrendous teams that have leaned on his scoring ability, and usually he's been able to come through. I don't even know what "taking shots away from others" means; is he stealing it from teammates? Or is it that he doesn't pass, even though he does more than Mohammed, Emeka, Hollins, and Davidson?

How many touches does Mohammed, Emeka, Hollins, and Davidson have compared to Randolph?

You need to watch him play. If he touches the ball, he's putting it up. That's what "taking shots away from others" means. Regardless if someone else is in a better position to score, if Randolph touches it he shoots it. He has tunel vision.

Donte Greene is the same (at this stage of his young carrer).

Zach, no. Reggie Evans, yes. 7.5 rebs in about 23 minutes a game. Those numbers, he would've been second in rebounds and 7th minutes last season for the Bobcats.

Of course the team would then probably have to (or at least possibly) move Nazr.

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Donte Greene is the same (at this stage of his young carrer).

Yeah, that's the big downside with Donte Greene. Imagine if he had more discipline over his shot selection though? I think this guy would be talked about a lot more if he wasn't so trigger happy.

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How many touches does Mohammed, Emeka, Hollins, and Davidson have compared to Randolph?

You need to watch him play. If he touches the ball, he's putting it up. That's what "taking shots away from others" means. Regardless if someone else is in a better position to score, if Randolph touches it he shoots it. He has tunel vision.

Donte Greene is the same (at this stage of his young carrer).

Yet he gets assists on a higher portion of his possessions than all four of those players. I'm not stupid, I'm not pointing to his total assists... even though he gets the ball more, he also passes more than any of them. I would imagine some of this is the fact that our players are not instructed to pass... they're only there to finish plays, not make them. But no matter how you spin it, the odds are higher that Randolph passes when he gets the ball than any of those four.

Reggie Evans is a gifted rebounder and would offer the occasional hard foul, but he's a turnover machine, can't score, and is only an okay rebounder. He's a role player that I wouldn't mind having, of course, but he's not going to make a big difference.