Hornets trade 1st for cash

[CarolinaCash]

There are rich owners (Paul Allen) who spend money to make their teams better and then there are rich owners (BJ) who sit on their ass. I hate it that Paul Allen keeps buying 1st round picks while BJ doesn't. Portland bought Rudy Fernandez from the Suns last year and probably bought the 1st overall pick from Stern and the NBA. How much do you think the Blazers had to pay the Hornets for the 27th pick? We will probably give up a good player and future picks to get a pick around 21 instead of just paying 3 million or so.

[Rich4114]

Ideally we'd make a deal to aquire a pick like that without giving up much in value so we can get someone like Roy Hibbert. Of course this is a perfect scenario if we get a guy like Westbrook at #9 and then Hibbert, or even Kufos or Aljinca in the 20's.

[CarolinaCash]

Also, is everyone on bobcatsplanet or charlotte.com? As I have said over and over this board is dead and a big part of that is Fatlever keeps wanting to put everything in one sticky thread. I much rather check the other boards and read new topics then one big large thread that no one wants to post in bc it will probably go unread. This is the worst board on realgm.....find me one that is worse.

Someone from charlotte.com posted that the Portland trade for an extra pick is for the Bobcats if Westbrook is available at 9. 13 and 27 for 9 OR 13, 27, and JJack for 9 and 38. He was saying our 9 and 38 could net us Jack, Ajinca, and Chalmers.

[Paydro70]

Umm, how about the Cleveland, Denver, Indiana, LAC, Memphis, Miami, New Orleans, Sacramento, San Antonio, Seattle, and Washington boards, all of which somehow have fewer topics and around the same or fewer posts than ours? If anything, we ironically have a higher ratio of topics to posts than most boards, which would suggest the opposite problem of your issue with merging.

[CarolinaCash]

Umm.....most of the posts are originating from opposing fans asking if Morrison, Wallace, Okafor, etc are available in trades. The other posts are something about some Bobcats WarRoom and all the picks....even though we aren't picking at those spots so I have no clue what that is about. 8 of the posts on this board on about the WarRoom picks and 7 are from other fans asking for trades. All this board is good for is opposing teams asking for trades and our fans shooting them down.

[chrbal]

Dear Bobcats, could we do one of these moves...just once?

38 for New Jerseys' 21st pick and Maurice Ager. The Nets are generally cheap...come on.

They remove Agers' million plus and the guaranteed salary of the 21st pick. They manage a still pretty good pick.

Charlotte jumps up 17 spots and adds a project wing.

[CarolinaCash]

Bonnell is actually throwing some stuff out there this year.....more than I see anywhere else. He just now posted that he talked to Higgins and that the Bobcats are looking to trade up.....even maybe to Miami's 2 pick.

[Walt Cronkite]

Umm.....most of the posts are originating from opposing fans asking if Morrison, Wallace, Okafor, etc are available in trades. The other posts are something about some Bobcats WarRoom and all the picks....even though we aren't picking at those spots so I have no clue what that is about. 8 of the posts on this board on about the WarRoom picks and 7 are from other fans asking for trades. All this board is good for is opposing teams asking for trades and our fans shooting them down.

Bobcats WarRoom is the creation of the Bobcats Big Board as created by the fans.

Not a Mock Draft. A Big Board. What prospects we would take depending on where we were picking.

You know, we're not currently picking at 13 or 27, we're picking 9th... so who would we potentially target at 13 and then 27.

7 of the 25 threads on page one are trade proposals from outsiders. If you think the group is unfairly shooting down the proposals, then be the dissenting opinion.

Why do you post so much about how bad the board is when you could use that energy to make it better instead?

[Paydro70]

I also wonder what fills up these other boards....
Cavs: 25 topics on the front page, last ones are now a week without comment. Of those,
12 are suggested trades, or who else might be in pursuit of Redd (or preemptively rejecting all Knicks deals)
4 are about their draft
1 is discussing the Blazers/Hornets deal
1 is about Ilgauskas and the Olympics
1 is about the new site layout
3 are about how great LeBron is
1 is an off-season plan
1 is a Celtics fan complimenting the Cavs
1 is a guy named "Wizards fo champz" suggesting that the cavs fans "suck his cack."

I like our board better.

[fatlever]

Also, is everyone on bobcatsplanet or charlotte.com? As I have said over and over this board is dead and a big part of that is Fatlever keeps wanting to put everything in one sticky thread. I much rather check the other boards and read new topics then one big large thread that no one wants to post in bc it will probably go unread. This is the worst board on realgm.....find me one that is worse.

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if you dont like it, leave. bobcatsplanet will be happy to have you.

[Walt Cronkite]

rofl @ 1 is a guy named "Wizards fo champz" suggesting that the cavs fans "suck his cack."

[spectre_]

Also, is everyone on bobcatsplanet or charlotte.com? As I have said over and over this board is dead and a big part of that is Fatlever keeps wanting to put everything in one sticky thread. I much rather check the other boards and read new topics then one big large thread that no one wants to post in bc it will probably go unread. This is the worst board on realgm.....find me one that is worse.

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if you dont like it, leave. bobcatsplanet will be happy to have you.

I kinda doubt that.

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My question is why he's over here anyway...the New Orleans' board is about 16 clicks down.

BTW, it's not any great thing to acquire a pick very late in the 1st round as they are guaranteed. IMO it's much better to get one of the first couple picks in the 2nd...if they don't work out you don't owe them anything.

[fatlever]

spectre, i would agree. buying a pick in the late 20s is a poor use of money. buying a pick in the early 30's is a much better deal, imo.

[Paydro70]

I guess you guys haven't seen these graphs then?
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Wor ... g-Up-2940/
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We have about a 4-5% chance of getting a star from a 20-30 pick, and another 40-50% chance of a solid backup or starter. Meanwhile, 68% of second rounders are out of the league by year 5, and there's less than 1 star in the second round per year (depends on your definition, but 1 per year would be the most liberal one possible).

So really a 20-30 is at least double the chance of getting something, and that's the goal, right? It's not like we're so strapped for cash that the first round salary is an issue.

[fatlever]

buying the 20th pick = much better than buying the 27th pick.

there is usually a big drop-off around 20ish. the difference between picks in the late 20s (25-30) vs picks in the early 30s (30-35) cant be that big, except in terms of guaranteed money.

[fatlever]

of course the 27th pick is better than no pick... and it aint my money... so why not. use it to stash a player overseas.

[spectre_]

I guess you guys haven't seen these graphs then?
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Wor ... g-Up-2940/
(Scroll to bottom)
We have about a 4-5% chance of getting a star from a 20-30 pick, and another 40-50% chance of a solid backup or starter. Meanwhile, 68% of second rounders are out of the league by year 5, and there's less than 1 star in the second round per year (depends on your definition, but 1 per year would be the most liberal one possible).

So really a 20-30 is at least double the chance of getting something, and that's the goal, right? It's not like we're so strapped for cash that the first round salary is an issue.

Here I go arguing against stats again!

In general I can agree with that, but in practical terms you're only talking 3 or 4 spots. Right now "we" don't really have to worry so much about salary, but in more than likely there'll come a day when we will.

So this year...not a biggy. In general tho, I think the 31st pick is more desirable.

[Paydro70]

*shrug*

As Fats said, it's not our money, and the Cats aren't even close to the luxury tax, so for me the 1.6m for a late 1st rounder is not really a concern over paying a 31st pick some minimum contract. When you get up to #25+, though, you're really talking about a better caliber of players, ones that playoff teams won't let slip through their fingers.

So... whatever... early 2nds can definitely have some value, and I wouldn't be opposed to picking them up either. Here are some highlights from the top 5 of the 2nd from recent years:
2005: Brandon Bass
2004: Anderson Varejao
2003: Luke Walton, Jason Kapono
2002: Dan Gadzuric (Boozer #6 in the 2nd, though #34)
2001: Trenton Hassell, Gilbert Arenas
2000: Marko Jaric (and Jake Voskuhl!)
1999: Michael Ruffin

So... we probably have a little better than a 1/5 shot of getting a contributor, which is decent.

[fatlever]

i alawys love it when paydro starts a post with "*shrug*"

[Walt Cronkite]

Looks like the talk of 27 is obsolete, we got the 20th pick!!