Memphis Trade

fluffernutter · Post #1 » by **fluffernutter** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:01 am

Up to number 5, for what reason?

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... h_memphis/

Hmmm....

I can't say I like it TOO much. I'd rather take our chances...but it's not a terrible thing for sure...

W_HAMILTON · Post #2 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:38 am

Oh, God.

Here we go again with the stupid moves.

I got excited when I read the wiretap, then realized I was confusing "M"emphis with "M"innesota. Then I just sighed, and realized we were being dumb yet again.

Unless we somehow trade only the #9 to Memphis for their pick, and maybe slight salary relief, or a 2nd round pick, or a future 2nd round pick, or basically nothing. If we give up our other 1st round pick, almost any of our players (no Morrison, no May, no Carroll, no Mohammed), just for the lovely opportunity to draft another bust in Love, or Westbrook (which is just as (Please Use More Appropriate Word)), I'm gonna be disappointed.

W_HAMILTON · Post #3 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:46 am

Maybe that guy that reported Minnesota was trading us the #3 for #9 + Morrison got his M's confused, too, and the trade was with Memphis instead.

Either way, I still wouldn't do it. Rose/Beasley/Mayo are the only players I would trade anything of value for, and most likely all three of them will be gone, even at Memphis' spot.

If this is true, I sure hope we are giving up very little, and maybe it's just Memphis targetting a player and wanting to trade down a few spots to lessen the salary obligation.

brianmc · Post #4 » by **brianmc** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:14 pm

W_HAMILTON wrote:Oh, God.

Here we go again with the stupid moves.

I got excited when I read the wiretap, then realized I was confusing "M"emphis with "M"innesota. Then I just sighed, and realized we were being dumb yet again.

Unless we somehow trade only the #9 to Memphis for their pick, and maybe slight salary relief, or a 2nd round pick, or a future 2nd round pick, or basically nothing. If we give up our other 1st round pick, almost any of our players (no Morrison, no May, no Carroll, no Mohammed), just for the lovely opportunity to draft another bust in Love, or Westbrook (which is just as (Please Use More Appropriate Word)), I'm gonna be disappointed.

If we can move up in the draft and get rid of either of our 2 bums in May and Morrison, I'll be thrilled. I want May out immediately. Sick of seeing that fat slob walking around uptown drunk with a fuel pizza box. I'm willing to give Morrison a chance although I think he sucks.

I like Matt Carroll. Hope he's on the team for a long time. at least he can shoot the 3, isn't a degenerate embarassment to the city like May.

Bizz · Post #5 » by **Bizz** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:20 pm

Maybe this isn't bad at all. The way I see it it is Westbrook who we want with our first pick and Hibbert with the second. I would be thrilled if we come out of the draft wit this 2 guys. But as it looks there is a good chance that westbrook is not going to be there at 9. On the other hand Love who Memphis likes very much will be. (unless he goes to minny, NY, LAC and MIL are not selecting him). So for Memphis it's easy trade #5 for #9 and shead some salary along the way. We still have some cap space if I am not mistaken therfore we are the perfect partner for Memphis. As for the trade it self I thinks it's something like #5+Cardinal for #9 and May(maybe even Morrison). That is not bad at all considering there was Lee and cap space for that packege rumour going aroun it's win win.

Anyways I just wanna get Westbrook so bad. :wink:

W_HAMILTON · Post #6 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:23 pm

I wouldn't.

If it was for Mayo or someone, sure.

If it's for Westbrook, no. Hell no.

We'd be better off keeping our busts, hoping they finally amount to something, and even if they don't, who cares? We still will have at least one or two good players drop to us at #9, and those players will probably be just as good as Westbrook.

So, I don't know why we would be trading up, if we aren't clearly getting one of the best players in this draft. Whoever we draft at the Memphis spot could conceivably drop to us at #9, so why give up ANYTHING and trade up?

I don't like May or Morrison, but the only thing worst than investing a lot in them and wasting time with them, is doing all of that, trading them away, and watching them finally do something on the NBA level for the team we trade them to.

I don't think anyone at #5 is worth giving them up for, not because May/Morrison are very good, but because we've invested a lot in them, and it would be dumb to give them up NOW for the chance to draft someone who we might could get just by staying at #9.

W_HAMILTON · Post #7 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:26 pm

If it was something like that, where we basically give up nothing to move up to #5, sure, who would have a problem with that?

If we have to give up a future first rounder (which I'm not even sure we can do now), or May or Morrison, or Carroll, or basically anyone currently under contract, I wouldn't do it.

I don't think Westbrook is good enough to warrant giving up anything substantial for, considering we could just stay pat and get someone equally as good at #9.

If we are giving up very little, good. But I don't see how that is, considering if it was just a #9 for #5 swap, why wouldn't the teams ahead of us do that? Everyone is saying Westbrook won't fall to us at #9, but he will be there at #5. Well, that means someone between #5 and #9 wants him. So why wouldn't that team trade their pick to Memphis instead? Sure, it might be slightly more of a contract obligation, but they could throw in other stuff as well.

I don't see how we could only be doing a simple pick swap, I imagine something else has to be thrown in from our side.

doc.end · Post #8 » by **doc.end** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:33 pm

Draftexpress have us drafting Westbrook and Hibbert with No.9 and No.20 currently. I would be very OK with that. I would like Ajinca more because I guess he is more fluid more PF like than Hibbert but that doesn't matter.

I wouldn't trade up. Just wait if some of players we wants will slip and if not take BPA/the most wanted by other teams player and make trade with someone who picks after us and would want that player badly.

But I disagree with HAM I think Westbrook is special, hey I started his bandwagon here.

doc.end · Post #9 » by **doc.end** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:36 pm

I read somwhere (probably DX) that we would probably taking Cardinal's contract - would be LArry Brown able to actaully get something from him? (and maybe May would go to Memphis to lessen the damage of Cardinal's contract).

Edit: Just typos.

Bizz · Post #10 » by **Bizz** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:39 pm

Well that something else is taking on the contract of Cardinal. Memphis owner is really cheap, he makes Sterling look like Dolan, why shouldn't we benifit from them like LA did. I don't know why some of you are against the move if we don't give up anything of great value to our team and get the player we want. Looking at most mock drafts Westbrook goes either to NY or LAC, but none of those teams are mentioned in the Love debate ok maybe the Clippers, but they will take Bayless first.

As for why other teams namely NY and Clippers don't trade with MEM. Well NY has been linked to #5 for some time but their offer is Lee+Rose for #5 and Cardinal, I'll take #9 and May anytime over that package. As for the Clips their target seems to be Mayo, but I don't think they have enough assets to get him. If they fail they will pick whoever is left from Westbrook, Bayless, Gordon in that order

ohara · Post #11 » by **ohara** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:07 pm

Hey guys, remember the heat looked strongly at Bayless too! He'll be there at #5. We may be making the move to get Bayless and then make the big one with Miami for Beasley! Don't pooh pooh this deal yet. This could be BIG!

W_HAMILTON · Post #12 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:13 pm

Yeah, that's the one thing I thought about in the back of my mind that might make a deal like this more attractive. But I think if we did somehow get up to #2 or #3, it'd involve us giving up quite a bit, maybe too much when we go back and look at all the deals we did to move up.

Felton for Pres · Post #13 » by **Felton for Pres** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:13 pm

This is MJ trying to be too cute. There is a good chance that Love or Westbrook will be around at 9. Not 100% chance, but enough of one that a panic trade shouldn't be solution. This is going to be an interesting day. I was excited when I woke up, now I'm worried.

Post #14 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:57 pm

Felton for Pres wrote:This is MJ trying to be too cute. There is a good chance that Love or Westbrook will be around at 9. Not 100% chance, but enough of one that a panic trade shouldn't be solution. This is going to be an interesting day. I was excited when I woke up, now I'm worried.

I don't think Westbrook will be there, too many mentions by Seattle/NY/LA being interested. All of that interest leads me to believe Love maybe will be available, which is awesome.

CarolinaCash · Post #15 » by **CarolinaCash** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:12 pm

Regarding a Memphis trade......it seems they are going to get rid of their 5th pick to save money for 2009 free agency. A Knicks site is reporting that Memphis may trade the 5th pick to the knicks to take Cardinal's contract and for expirings David Lee and Rose. Lee and Rose expire in 2009......they want to have lots of money in 2009.

The Bobcats will not trade the 9th pick in order to get the 5th pick. They will take Cardinal and send back '09 expirings in Sean May, anyone else that is expiring in '08 or '09, and a couple of 2nd round picks. There is a possibility that the Bobcats have the 5th, 9th, and 20th picks. If that's the case would you package 5 and 9 to move up to 2 and draft Beasley and then Chalmers/Hibbert at 20. Or would you stay pat and grab Love, Westbrook, or Bayless at 5, and then best players at 9 and 20.

CarolinaCash · Post #16 » by **CarolinaCash** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:14 pm

I actually would grab Love at 5 and then package 9 and 20 to move up a few spots and grab Westbrook or Bayless. If I stay I would go for Love at 5, Augustin at 9, and Hibbert at 20.

W_HAMILTON · Post #17 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:17 pm

Well, I would do that if that's the case, but I can't imagine Memphis will be dumb again and trade away the #5 for salary cap relief only. I imagine it would be us giving up the #9 as well. I WOULD be willing to trade Morrison, or May, or Carroll for the #5 in that instance, but I can't imagine that Memphis would give up their pick just for salary cap relief.

Post #18 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:18 pm

Well, May and Morrison match Cardinal's salary. Dudley and Morrison as well.

I'd be on suicide watch if I lived ~750 miles to the West.

edit: and if we fell into 5, 9 and 20, I'd figure out what it takes for Beasley. While 9 and 20 wasn't close, 5 and 9 is an attractive start to the Heat, imo. If Miami isn't interested I personally secure Love at 5 and at 9 take the guy that falls Bayless, Lopez, or Gordon.

Post #19 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:29 pm

I'm with W_Hamilton. If we are moving from #9 to #5 I sure as hell hope we aren't giving up much (or anything really) to do it. There isn't a "home run" pick at #5 I would want to move our assets for - unless by some strange turn of events Beasley or Mayo slip to #5.

I'd rather just stand pat at #9 and draft from there.

CarolinaCash · Post #20 » by **CarolinaCash** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:32 pm

http://www.thatknicksblog.blogspot.com

"Even stronger are rumors that the Grizzlies are talking to a number of teams, including the Knicks, Blazers and Suns, about deals that would send the No. 5 pick to whomever is willing to take Brian Cardinal's awful contract (2 years, $13 million left). The latest buzz has the Knicks talking to Memphis about a deal that would send David Lee and the expiring contract of Malik Rose to Memphis for No. 5 and Cardinal."