early look at the depth chart

Post #1 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:22 pm

early look at the depth chart

pg: felton/dj
sg: richardson/carroll/weaver
sf: wallace/dudley/morrison
pf: okafor/davidson/may
c: mohammed/hollins/ajinca

that's 14 players, only one more roster spot w/ 5 players having only 1 (or less) year of experience and 2 players coming off injuries.

Rich4114 · Post #2 » by **Rich4114** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:24 pm

Well it's obvious they're shopping Wallace now. I can only hope it's for something of value (like a big man who can score).

doc.end · Post #3 » by **doc.end** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:52 pm

I think it is going to be more and more like this:

Felton, Augustin
Richardson, Carroll, Weaver
Wallace, Dudley, Morrison
Ajinca, Davidson, contract of Sean May
Okafor, Mohammed, Hollins
with some SFs or Cs playing at PF les and less according to Ajinca's improvements.

Not sure about Hollins making the team, our FO didn't mention him in after draft conference (they did mention Davidson and Dudley) - maybe that doesn't mean anything.
I wouldn't be surprised if Weaver would find a way to leap Carroll nad/or Morrison in Brown's roation (counting his occasional pg minutes).

Felton for Pres · Post #4 » by **Felton for Pres** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:01 pm

No way Ajinca starts.

These looks too much like last year. Sad. I guess we'll see if MJ has any trades up his sleeve. Although I am now terrified of what they may be.

doc.end · Post #5 » by **doc.end** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:10 pm

he was picked to become strater sooner or later. That's not the line up for the first day of the season, rather something we are trying to reach. For me Ajinca is already as good as Davidson which makes him 3rd big man of the rotation (excluding Wallace and Dudley tweeners) right now.

Post #6 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:21 pm

I'm interested in how Free Agency plays out, because if Felton and Wallace are really being actively shopped (although I didn't hear/read about Felton being shopped until after the draft), they can get a great player.

I think Ajinca will probably come over right away. If he doesn't, I'd say it's a waste of a draft pick, because MJ loves him, Brown loves him...is he going to benefit more from French league coaching or a summer of LB, some time in the dleague and then spot minutes here and there? If we want to minimize his bust potential, I say we should keep him out of the French league as much as possible.

I don't think Hollins is a cat anymore.

Post #7 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:22 pm

doc.end wrote:he was picked to become strater sooner or later. That's not the line up for the first day of the season, rather something we are trying to reach. For me Ajinca is already as good as Davidson which makes him 3rd big man of the rotation (excluding Wallace and Dudley tweeners) right now.

Ajinca seems to have a lot of the skills Diaw had as a rookie, right? Maybe not the court vision, but he's replaced that with a better jumper and better physical vitals.

Post #8 » by **Paydro70** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:25 pm

PG: Felton, Augustine
SG: Richardson, Carroll, Weaver
SF: Wallace, Dudley, Morrison
PF: Okafor, Davidson
C: Mohammed, Hollins

France: Ajinca
McDonalds: May

fluffernutter · Post #9 » by **fluffernutter** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:30 pm

Felton for Pres wrote:No way Ajinca starts.

These looks too much like last year. Sad. I guess we'll see if MJ has any trades up his sleeve. Although I am now terrified of what they may be.

Well, even if we have the same team, with slight upgrades at various positions, we also went from the worst coach in the league to one of the top 3 coaches in the league.

Is moving from Vincent to Brown worth 15 wins? Possible. 10? I'd say certainly. 5? Book it at the very worst.

It's a team sport. Personnel are a big part of it, but they also have to work as a team and have a coach that they trust, can learn from, etc.

I'm not sweating anything until I give Larry Brown half a season. If we still suck at that point - well, then it's time to panic.

Badd_Intentions · Post #10 » by **Badd_Intentions** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:35 pm

Lets say we do end up moving Wallace for a big, do we go with Dudley at the 3?

W_HAMILTON · Post #11 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:36 pm

In my opinion, we fixed our two biggest problems. That's what I said we needed to do, and that's what we did. At worst, we fixed two of our three biggest problems, if you think PF is a greater need than those two spots, which I don't, considering even if we had a good PF, they would have still underperformed due to the significance of the other two problems.

We added an experienced, competent coach, and we brought back in another pass-first PG. If they don't go crazy and try to rebuild the team, and we are reasonably healthy, we'll be looking at around a .500 record. That should be enough to be in the fight for the playoffs. A few teams behind us probably got better, but a few teams ahead of us clearly got worse.

Badd_Intentions · Post #12 » by **Badd_Intentions** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:52 pm

Before heading into Free Agency we are still lacking post scoring. Without someone getting us high percentage shots in the post we'll struggle to get to .500, the only guy on our roster that can do so is May, but we all know his story.

We did add some nice pieces in Augustin and Weaver.

The jury is really out on Ajinca as far as if he'll be able to give us much help this season, but at this given point our roster is better than what it was last year.

_tijo_ · Post #13 » by **_tijo_** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:56 pm

2 assumptions:

1. We re-sign Okafor.
2. We will trade Crash, Matt Carroll, and Sean May for a scoring 4, like AK47.

By the end of the season, I believe our depth chart will look like this:

Starters: DJ Augustine, JRich, Dudley, AK47, Okafor

Instant Offense off the bench: Felton, Ammo

Instant Defense off the bench: Nazr, Weaver

Ajinca will be in the D-league to learn how to play the game. So will Davidson. Hollins maybe too, although if he hasn't gotten it by now, it's time to cut our losses.

I still can't believe we took Ajinca. The bobs' whole draft was designed around him. They wouldn't take Lopez early because we wanted Ajinca later, so we took Augustine. And even through Arthur was available later, we still took Ajinca. And because we took Augustine, we couldn't take Chalmers. I've been a fan from day one, but this one is hard to take. If Ajinca turns into KG2, then I will have my crow salad, but for now, I can't see how this works.

doc.end · Post #14 » by **doc.end** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:02 pm

I think Crash is nearer to "scoring pf" than AK47 ever will be.

Please just don't do trades, don't screw what we already have.

W_HAMILTON · Post #15 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:07 pm

Yep, there's no reason to do any more trades, unless it clearly improves us, and most of the trades out there would not clearly improve us.

We are basically now at the same position we were at the start of last season, where we thought we would improve and be pretty good and fight for a playoff spot.

We fixed two of the biggest problems that caused us not to be pretty good, and not to fight for a playoff spot, and to regress from the previous season.

There's no reason that there needs to be more casualties for this previous season. We fixed two of our biggest problems, and our third biggest problem could already be addressed (if May is healthy or Ajinca is able to contribute), and even if it's not, we could fix that problem either by using our MLE, or seeking out CHEAP trades. We don't have to give up our best players to fix the PF issue.

Badd_Intentions · Post #16 » by **Badd_Intentions** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:22 pm

AK47 is not a scoring 4, he is a defensive 4 that is a decent scorer. Also look at the cast he has around him now.

Post #17 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:05 pm

if i'm in charge, i play in safe this summer. no major trades.

- use the MLE to sign an experienced pf or split the MLE to add a pf and a vet pg.
- try to move hollins for a future 2nd round pick.
- let ajinca get some burn in the d-league for a few months

doc.end · Post #18 » by **doc.end** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:12 pm

I'm positive if we won't make play offs next season then we would definitely make PO the year after when Ajinca would surely make a differenced as more developed and we would be able to add another player through draft (it is lottery protected), not speaking about NOH 2nd.

Rich4114 · Post #19 » by **Rich4114** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:13 pm

if I'm in charge, I do make a major trade if it's going to make us a contender. The teams who make it to the next level either draft a superstar or pick one up in a trade.

Boozer, Brand, etc, would be the type of player I'm targeting and if they can be had without giving up Okafor, J-Rich, or possibly Felton then I'm making the move.

doc.end · Post #20 » by **doc.end** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:21 pm

fatlever wrote:if i'm in charge, i play in safe this summer. no major trades.

- use the MLE to sign an experienced pf or split the MLE to add a pf and a vet pg.
- try to move hollins for a future 2nd round pick.
- let ajinca get some burn in the d-league for a few months

I think Brown will want to keep Ajinca close to him to supervise his development. Or he would let him play else where (NBDL) only if he would really trust the coach Ajinca would play under.