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Now with the glut of gaurds and players with similar style at the 2/3, i feel you guys need to get some changes. Would a trade such as this intrigue anybody:

Bobcats trade Adam Morrison and Raymond Felton for Boris Diaw and 2 future second rounders.

Leaves you with:
Augustin/Boykins
J-Rich/Carrol
Crash/Dudley
Diaw/May
Okafor/Ajinca

Works financially, you get rid of Felton who doesn't fit your needs anymore, and Morrison who takes time away from Dudley and Crash at the 3. Dudley get's more time to develope and Diaw isn't that bad a value playing the four along side one of the best young centers in the game. He would help EO50 tremendously because he can run plays for him out of the post and when either is doubled they can pass to each other for easy shots/layins.

for phoenix they get a backup pg and sf to fill the void loosing diaw leaves. both also expire so they can get dragic over and not make him loose time.

Boykins doesnt play for the bobcats anymore. Diaw doesnt play defense or have a jump shot. Sorry, no deal.

Is there anyway we can have all these trade requests put into a single thread bc they are usually lopsided in the other teams favor and they just make bobcats fans mad?

Um, you clearly dont have a clue as to what you are talking about. Diaw is a good defender, and he has a terrific mid-range game, therefore complementing Okafor's inside game. Please think before you post. This isnt one sided, especially because a) you dont know if morrison will bounce back and b) you dont need felton with augustin, and felton wont need to play the 2 with j-rich there. so i dont understand why you cant think outside teh box for once.

Okay so maybe they are not the best picks in draft history but do you think Diaw is worth a #3 pick and a #5 pick. Face it the Suns paid too much money to a guy that had one really good year.

Plus even though we have Augustin, he comes in as a backup and unless we can find another pg to fill the void left by Felton that leaves us with another key spot to fill.

The Suns get two players on rookie contract that could fill needs, Charlotte takes on $36 million over 4 years for a player that Phoenix no longer needs. Its not one-sided at all. Maybe we could throw in a lottery pick to "sweeten the deal".

The only Sun who might get traded, and makes sense for the Bobcats, is Barbosa. And if you think you're getting Felton and Morrison for him...you are sadly mistaken.

The biggest thing in my opinion that this does is yet again leaves us hampered at the PG position. Besides I'd much rather wait and trade Morrison after this season when hopefully his trade value will be higher than it is currently. Not to mention I'd rather not take on Diaw's contract. We already have a big contract with Wallace and we need the cap space to take care of Okafor. (This doesn't mean in anyway I'd trade Wallace for Diaw).

sd1306 wrote:Um, you clearly dont have a clue as to what you are talking about. Diaw is a good defender, and he has a terrific mid-range game, therefore complementing Okafor's inside game. Please think before you post. This isnt one sided, especially because a) you dont know if morrison will bounce back and b) you dont need felton with augustin, and felton wont need to play the 2 with j-rich there. so i dont understand why you cant think outside teh box for once.

Might want to tone the aggression down there sport - especially if you are visiting another teams board.

Diaw is widely considered over paid, lazy and inconsitant.

All things we could do without.

To be fair, Diaw is a difference-maker on defense. But the contract makes him undesirable.

The value of pieces in this trade (contracts taken into consideration) is:
Felton > Morrison > 2 second round picks > Diaw

Good luck with Diaw for next for years, haha.

Im still not too sure why Felton is being dumped on so much...he averaged 14 ppg and 7apg. I would be very surprised if the cats got rid of felton...it would just be a dumb move. I think its too soon for the Cats to start dealing players like ammo may wallace and felton...they need a season in coach browns system to see whoes a weak link.

Well, it does seem like we're hearing more speculation then anything. There was that supposed Wallace for TJ Ford deal that is said to have fallen through, but beyond that...not much.

What I personally don't understand is why you don't hear more "Diaw to New York" rumors. It seems like that would be obvious. Quentin Richardson and a future 1st for Boris Diaw. It works, its obvious, come on.

Richardson has two years left on his contract and I think could really fit in Phoenix, partially because thats the last time he was good for a long period of time.

Diaw rejoins Mike in New York and gives them a good Small Forward. Some might complain because New York would be adding salary, but they could really use a player like Boris.

chrbal wrote:Well, it does seem like we're hearing more speculation then anything. There was that supposed Wallace for TJ Ford deal that is said to have fallen through, but beyond that...not much.

What I personally don't understand is why you don't hear more "Diaw to New York" rumors. It seems like that would be obvious. Quentin Richardson and a future 1st for Boris Diaw. It works, its obvious, come on.

Richardson has two years left on his contract and I think could really fit in Phoenix, partially because thats the last time he was good for a long period of time.

Diaw rejoins Mike in New York and gives them a good Small Forward. Some might complain because New York would be adding salary, but they could really use a player like Boris.

Thing is, D'antoni left on a bad note, and i doubt walsh wants to give up more picks and phoenix wants nothing to do with chuckers like Q-Rich. They see a window of 2 years, maybe one, and they want to use it wisely, not waste time on fools like him. Morrison could be a 10-12ppg off the bench scorer if he comes back, if not HE EXPIRES, which is why this deal works. I thank those that actually can admit other team's talents, like i admitted felton being good and diaws horrible contract, unlike others who flame and say he cant play defence, when he certainly can. He is overpaid, but he can produce if given consistent minutes at the 3 or 4 position, which is what would happen here. Go back and lot at a season where he played ONE position for consistent 30 MPG or more. You'll see his production is much better.

I was wrong about Diaw being a bad defender. I assumed bc the teams biggest weakness for the past few years has been defense that he fit into the category of being a bad defender. Sorry for the flameout.

But, I was right about one thing this is a terrible trade. First of all, Diaw averaged almost 30 mpg last year and yet he still only avgd. 8.8 ppg. Also less than 5 rbpg. Almost 4 assists per game.

So we give you, in Felton and Morrison, around 25 ppg, around 10 assists per game, and probably 6 or 7 rebounds per game. He may be a good defender but he's not Ron Artest. Or Bruce Bowen for that matter. Statistically speaking its not even close.

And comparing another stat, my personal favorite, Diaw ranked 128 in efficiency. Right ahead of guys like Mikki Moore and just behind Anderson Verajao. Felton on the other hand was 86. Ahead of Jermaine Oneal and Ben Gordon. Throw Morrison in and it makes even less sense.

I automatically am no dealing any trades from here on out that don't land us Carlos Boozer or maybe Lamar Odom.

As much as i like the Lakers, the possibility of Lamar Odom playing for the Bobcats ignites this type of reaction ..... http://studio2628.files.wordpress.com/2 ... pson31.jpg

ccbballin wrote:I was wrong about Diaw being a bad defender. I assumed bc the teams biggest weakness for the past few years has been defense that he fit into the category of being a bad defender. Sorry for the flameout.

But, I was right about one thing this is a terrible trade. First of all, Diaw averaged almost 30 mpg last year and yet he still only avgd. 8.8 ppg. Also less than 5 rbpg. Almost 4 assists per game.

So we give you, in Felton and Morrison, around 25 ppg, around 10 assists per game, and probably 6 or 7 rebounds per game. He may be a good defender but he's not Ron Artest. Or Bruce Bowen for that matter. Statistically speaking its not even close.

And comparing another stat, my personal favorite, Diaw ranked 128 in efficiency. Right ahead of guys like Mikki Moore and just behind Anderson Verajao. Felton on the other hand was 86. Ahead of Jermaine Oneal and Ben Gordon. Throw Morrison in and it makes even less sense.

Okay, so you want to look at stats vs minutes right? i will tell you why his production was horrible.
First of all, he played versus bigger players (gaurded C's to keep stoudemire off them) a lot. He was also playing in the west. But forget both of those points. the most important thing would be that this guy got SPOT minutes. By that, what i mean is he would get 3 minutes when stoudemire went out, then another 2 when marion, and so on. That cut's production very much. Backup minutes mean very little if they come in small 2-3minute bunches. He needs solid starter minutes, where he plays a bunch (say 8minutes) before taking a break to perform like any other solid player. Giving people spot minutes can only harm production because you loose momentum and rhythm. Just go and look at his stats in the games he started and you'll see what i mean.

I don't want anything to do with Odom. I'd wouldn't care if MJ can get him for a sweaty headband and a used band-aid...